Xeon 7130N vs. Xeon X5365

Does anybody has experience what is better solution for database server. Ibm x3800 with xeon 7130N or x3650 with xeon x5365. Database server is IDS 9.4 or IDS Express 10.

Joshua wrote: > Does anybody has experience what is better solution for database server. > Ibm x3800 with xeon 7130N or x3650 with xeon x5365. Database server is > IDS 9.4 or IDS Express 10. The IBM x3800 has the IBM X3-architecture which, as I understand it, is a fairly expensively-developed chipset designed to improve the multi-processing capabilities of the Xeon processor. This was started at a time when the Opteron processor was scaling to many processors (many means greater than two in this context) significantly better than the Xeon, whose architecture couldn't give the processors enough work to do as well. Basically the idea with the X3-chipset is that your Xeon processors are fully utilised more often, not waiting around for the front side bus which was a bottleneck. Things have moved on a bit with the new 'Core 2' architecture, I forget its name, but I guess the idea is the same. Of course IBM does Opteron servers now as well which at the time the X-architecture was developed it did not. We have a fair number of x3650 servers pass through here but never bought a x3800. I think the x3800 is significantly more expensive than the x3650. Our experience of IDS is that is scales extremely well on new multi-core CPUs and we have benchmarked our own application on 8-core Xeon systems with excellent results. To get good scalability though your application needs to be firing multiple requests at the database in parallel. So no practical experience on one of the exact servers you're considering but I hope this gives you an idea of what the difference in price supposedly buys. Regards, Ben.

Ben Thompson wrote: > Joshua wrote: > >> Does anybody has experience what is better solution for database server. >> Ibm x3800 with xeon 7130N or x3650 with xeon x5365. Database server is >> IDS 9.4 or IDS Express 10. > > > The IBM x3800 has the IBM X3-architecture which, as I understand it, is > a fairly expensively-developed chipset designed to improve the > multi-processing capabilities of the Xeon processor. This was started at > a time when the Opteron processor was scaling to many processors (many > means greater than two in this context) significantly better than the > Xeon, whose architecture couldn't give the processors enough work to do > as well. Basically the idea with the X3-chipset is that your Xeon > processors are fully utilised more often, not waiting around for the > front side bus which was a bottleneck. > > Things have moved on a bit with the new 'Core 2' architecture, I forget > its name, but I guess the idea is the same. Of course IBM does Opteron > servers now as well which at the time the X-architecture was developed > it did not. > > We have a fair number of x3650 servers pass through here but never > bought a x3800. I think the x3800 is significantly more expensive than > the x3650. > > Our experience of IDS is that is scales extremely well on new multi-core > CPUs and we have benchmarked our own application on 8-core Xeon systems > with excellent results. To get good scalability though your application > needs to be firing multiple requests at the database in parallel. > > So no practical experience on one of the exact servers you're > considering but I hope this gives you an idea of what the difference in > price supposedly buys. > > Regards, Ben. Thanks for suggestions!