When It Couldn't Get Any Better

Got this email from Sun... It is a lot of hype, but unfortunately, most of the kids who could actually read this will believe it without proof of any kind. Informix needs to get out there and counter this kind of marketing with its own brand of bravado, only with some facts. Let's see some benchmarks, and let's see IBM get into the MySQL space! Geez it's not too hard to beat MySQL, all you have to do is start showing up where MySQL is, and poof, you get the market that matters the most, the kids! == Sun Acquires MySQL 26 February 2008 Dear (sic) You , Today is a big day for Sun and the MySQL community. We have closed our acquisition of MySQL AB and proudly joined forces with this open source icon and the company behind the world's most popular open source database. Sun already is the leading provider of platforms for the Web economy and the largest commercial open source contributor. As of today, Sun also is a formidable player in the $15 billion database market. We thank you ' our joint customers, developers and community members ' for making this possible. Already, MySQL, downloaded 60,000 times a day (or once every two seconds), is by far the most popular platform on which modern developers are creating network services. Enterprises and developers alike want fast, scalable and open solutions backed by world-class communities and support ' from web-based companies like Facebook and Google to finance and telecommunications companies, to high schools and college campuses, to startups, high performance computing labs and IT managers in the Global 2000 who take a more hands-on approach. The rapid adoption of MySQL is breathtaking. But there remain unlimited possibilities, particularly with more traditional CIOs who disallow the usage of products that aren't backed by commercial support relationships or who are simply more comfortable relying on vendors like Sun to manage global, critical infrastructure. Together, Sun and MySQL have an opportunity to achieve Unlimited Scale. Providing global enterprise-class support 24x7x365, Sun can grow the MySQL customer base and community even further. If you've been watching Sun over the last number of years, you'll know Sun is already committed to the business model at the heart of MySQL's success - first investing to grow communities of users and developers, and only then creating commercial services that attract (rather than lock in) paying customers. Our enterprise customers worldwide can now take advantage of MySQL's market-leading open source database on your choice of platform, OS and language with less risk ' for up to a 90% lower total cost of ownership over many traditional database solutions. MySQL users, as with Sun's, already run MySQL across every major operating system ' Linux, Windows, Solaris and the Mac ' and every major system platform, from IBM, Intel, AMD, Dell, Sun and HP. Even more so today, Sun provides the most complete suite of support options to rapidly build and deploy fast, efficient, effective and secure Web-based applications and services. For our worldwide developers, Sun working with the MySQL community will more quickly take the MySQL database to the next level of scalability and performance by tapping into Sun's $14 billion in expertise, technologies and global support. Bottom line, Sun is putting a billion dollars behind the "M" in LAMP, increasing our already-strong commitment to open source communities, to deliver a more powerful Web application development platform. And we assure you, MySQL will remain just as open, fast, free, easy-to-use and innovative as you've always seen. And much more. Additionally, this arrangement does not change Sun's long-standing relationship with Oracle and Sybase in the marketplace. Just as Sun supports customer choice of platform through AMD, Intel and SPARC, customers will have a choice of database systems for use with Sun's platform offerings. Over the next months, Sun and MySQL will strive to reach full integration globally. Due to relevant country legal requirements, different timelines for completing that full integration may apply. Nonetheless, Sun will work to meet your needs as a valued customer, whatever they may be. Thank you for relying on Sun and MySQL for years as trusted business partners. We look forward to continuing to help you achieve and exceed your business goals for decades to come. Jonathan Schwartz President and Chief Executive Officer Sun Microsystems You can read more about Sun's acquisition of MySQL on sun.com or on my blog. And I invite you to join myself, Rich Green and Marten Mickos at a virtual town hall on March 4, during which we'll give you more details and answer your questions. More information is available at sun.com/mysqltour.

Does this shock you? Give credit where credit is do. Sun is putting a great spin on MySQL. Sun should have bought Informix but they didn't want to piss off Oracle. (Or so the story goes....) I think Sun did a wonderful job promoting their new acquisition. I agree to your point though. What is IBM doing? Their idea of thinking out of the box is to have the IIUG offer a free trip (conference fees only) to their 2009 conference as a way getting "grass roots" videos made. Unfortunately thats not too original. Frito-Lay (Doritos) offered $10,000 and the winning ad was showcased during the super bowl. Not that I'm flaming certain marketing folks within the IM pillar. They have their hands tied and are trying to do things that they can't do "through channels". I would suggest that they read a book: http://www.amazon.com/Under-Radar-Talking-Cynical-Consumer/dp/0471174696/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204205136&sr=1-1 Under the Radar: Talking to Today's Cynical Consumer Granted the book may be a bit dated, but its a great source of getting one to think outside of the box. Its a light read and after reading it, you should sit down with some liquid logic enhancers and brain storm. ;-) -G > From: indeep@indeep.com > Subject: When It Couldn't Get Any Better > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:41:38 -0800 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > Got this email from Sun... It is a lot of hype, but unfortunately, most of the kids who could actually read this will > believe it without proof of any kind. Informix needs to get out there and counter this kind of marketing with its own > brand of bravado, only with some facts. Let's see some benchmarks, and let's see IBM get into the MySQL space! Geez > it's not too hard to beat MySQL, all you have to do is start showing up where MySQL is, and poof, you get the market > that matters the most, the kids! > > == > > > Sun Acquires MySQL > 26 February 2008 > > Dear (sic) You , > > Today is a big day for Sun and the MySQL community. We have closed our acquisition of MySQL AB and proudly joined forces > with this open source icon and the company behind the world's most popular open source database. Sun already is the > leading provider of platforms for the Web economy and the largest commercial open source contributor. As of today, Sun > also is a formidable player in the $15 billion database market. We thank you — our joint customers, developers and > community members — for making this possible. > > Already, MySQL, downloaded 60,000 times a day (or once every two seconds), is by far the most popular platform on which > modern developers are creating network services. Enterprises and developers alike want fast, scalable and open solutions > backed by world-class communities and support — from web-based companies like Facebook and Google to finance and > telecommunications companies, to high schools and college campuses, to startups, high performance computing labs and IT > managers in the Global 2000 who take a more hands-on approach. The rapid adoption of MySQL is breathtaking. > > But there remain unlimited possibilities, particularly with more traditional CIOs who disallow the usage of products > that aren't backed by commercial support relationships or who are simply more comfortable relying on vendors like Sun to > manage global, critical infrastructure. > > Together, Sun and MySQL have an opportunity to achieve Unlimited Scale. Providing global enterprise-class support > 24x7x365, Sun can grow the MySQL customer base and community even further. If you've been watching Sun over the last > number of years, you'll know Sun is already committed to the business model at the heart of MySQL's success - first > investing to grow communities of users and developers, and only then creating commercial services that attract (rather > than lock in) paying customers. > > Our enterprise customers worldwide can now take advantage of MySQL's market-leading open source database on your choice > of platform, OS and language with less risk — for up to a 90% lower total cost of ownership over many traditional > database solutions. MySQL users, as with Sun's, already run MySQL across every major operating system — Linux, Windows, > Solaris and the Mac — and every major system platform, from IBM, Intel, AMD, Dell, Sun and HP. Even more so today, Sun > provides the most complete suite of support options to rapidly build and deploy fast, efficient, effective and secure > Web-based applications and services. > > For our worldwide developers, Sun working with the MySQL community will more quickly take the MySQL database to the next > level of scalability and performance by tapping into Sun's $14 billion in expertise, technologies and global support. > Bottom line, Sun is putting a billion dollars behind the "M" in LAMP, increasing our already-strong commitment to open > source communities, to deliver a more powerful Web application development platform. And we assure you, MySQL will > remain just as open, fast, free, easy-to-use and innovative as you've always seen. And much more. > > Additionally, this arrangement does not change Sun's long-standing relationship with Oracle and Sybase in the > marketplace. Just as Sun supports customer choice of platform through AMD, Intel and SPARC, customers will have a choice > of database systems for use with Sun's platform offerings. > > Over the next months, Sun and MySQL will strive to reach full integration globally. Due to relevant country legal > requirements, different timelines for completing that full integration may apply. Nonetheless, Sun will work to meet > your needs as a valued customer, whatever they may be. > > Thank you for relying on Sun and MySQL for years as trusted business partners. We look forward to continuing to help you > achieve and exceed your business goals for decades to come. > > Jonathan Schwartz > President and Chief Executive Officer > Sun Microsystems > > You can read more about Sun's acquisition of MySQL on sun.com or on my blog. And I invite you to join myself, Rich Green > and Marten Mickos at a virtual town hall on March 4, during which we'll give you more details and answer your questions. > More information is available at sun.com/mysqltour. > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

OS/2 anyone? IBM has a history of missed opportunities. Just because you're big and 'successful' with a lot of crap software doesn't mean your company is invincible. As much as Informix has benefited from IBMs' money and effort, it may never really go anywhere simply because the top end of the company is too busy selling crap and missing opportunities with their better products such as Informix. In looking at the IFMX developer program, IBM is depending heavily on people that already know about the product. The developer site looks better than it has in quite a while, but it's only important if you already know about it. IBM needs to get outside their website, and outside the IIUG. They need to <ahem> ADVERTISE Informix outside their space. They need to show up where the big market is, the kids! Where's the free iPod? Where's the hoodie? As far as the dot-com segment is concerned, MySQL rules dude. But if you see how bad it really is when you start to ramp it up, where do the kids go? Oracle! Sun won't have to work hard with their newly acquired MySQL, simply because the heavy lifting has already been done. Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > Does this shock you? > > Give credit where credit is do. Sun is putting a great spin on MySQL. > Sun should have bought Informix but they didn't want to piss off Oracle. > (Or so the story goes....) I think Sun did a wonderful job promoting > their new acquisition. > > I agree to your point though. What is IBM doing? Their idea of thinking > out of the box is to have the IIUG offer a free trip (conference fees > only) to their 2009 conference as a way getting "grass roots" videos made. > > Unfortunately thats not too original. Frito-Lay (Doritos) offered > $10,000 and the winning ad was showcased during the super bowl. > > Not that I'm flaming certain marketing folks within the IM pillar. They > have their hands tied and are trying to do things that they can't do > "through channels". > > I would suggest that they read a book: > http://www.amazon.com/Under-Radar-Talking-Cynical-Consumer/dp/0471174696/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204205136&sr=1-1 > *Under the Radar: Talking to Today's Cynical Consumer > > *Granted the book may be a bit dated, but its a great source of getting > one to think outside of the box. > Its a light read and after reading it, you should sit down with some > liquid logic enhancers and brain storm. ;-) > > -G > > > From: indeep@indeep.com > > Subject: When It Couldn't Get Any Better > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:41:38 -0800 > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > Got this email from Sun... It is a lot of hype, but unfortunately, > most of the kids who could actually read this will > > believe it without proof of any kind. Informix needs to get out there > and counter this kind of marketing with its own > > brand of bravado, only with some facts. Let's see some benchmarks, > and let's see IBM get into the MySQL space! Geez > > it's not too hard to beat MySQL, all you have to do is start showing > up where MySQL is, and poof, you get the market > > that matters the most, the kids! > > > > == > > > > > > Sun Acquires MySQL > > 26 February 2008 > > > > Dear (sic) You , > > > > Today is a big day for Sun and the MySQL community. We have closed > our acquisition of MySQL AB and proudly joined forces > > with this open source icon and the company behind the world's most > popular open source database. Sun already is the > > leading provider of platforms for the Web economy and the largest > commercial open source contributor. As of today, Sun > > also is a formidable player in the $15 billion database market. We > thank you ' our joint customers, developers and > > community members ' for making this possible. > > > > Already, MySQL, downloaded 60,000 times a day (or once every two > seconds), is by far the most popular platform on which > > modern developers are creating network services. Enterprises and > developers alike want fast, scalable and open solutions > > backed by world-class communities and support ' from web-based > companies like Facebook and Google to finance and > > telecommunications companies, to high schools and college campuses, > to startups, high performance computing labs and IT > > managers in the Global 2000 who take a more hands-on approach. The > rapid adoption of MySQL is breathtaking. > > > > But there remain unlimited possibilities, particularly with more > traditional CIOs who disallow the usage of products > > that aren't backed by commercial support relationships or who are > simply more comfortable relying on vendors like Sun to > > manage global, critical infrastructure. > > > > Together, Sun and MySQL have an opportunity to achieve Unlimited > Scale. Providing global enterprise-class support > > 24x7x365, Sun can grow the MySQL customer base and community even > further. If you've been watching Sun over the last > > number of years, you'll know Sun is already committed to the business > model at the heart of MySQL's success - first > > investing to grow communities of users and developers, and only then > creating commercial services that attract (rather > > than lock in) paying customers. > > > > Our enterprise customers worldwide can now take advantage of MySQL's > market-leading open source database on your choice > > of platform, OS and language with less risk ' for up to a 90% lower > total cost of ownership over many traditional > > database solutions. MySQL users, as with Sun's, already run MySQL > across every major operating system ' Linux, Windows, > > Solaris and the Mac ' and every major system platform, from IBM, > Intel, AMD, Dell, Sun and HP. Even more so today, Sun > > provides the most complete suite of support options to rapidly build > and deploy fast, efficient, effective and secure > > Web-based applications and services. > > > > For our worldwide developers, Sun working with the MySQL community > will more quickly take the MySQL database to the next > > level of scalability and performance by tapping into Sun's $14 > billion in expertise, technologies and global support. > > Bottom line, Sun is putting a billion dollars behind the "M" in LAMP, > increasing our already-strong commitment to open > > source communities, to deliver a more powerful Web application > development platform. And we assure you, MySQL will > > remain just as open, fast, free, easy-to-use and innovative as you've > always seen. And much more. > > > > Additionally, this arrangement does not change Sun's long-standing > relationship with Oracle and Sybase in the > > marketplace. Just as Sun supports customer choice of platform through > AMD, Intel and SPARC, customers will have a choice > > of database systems for use with Sun's platform offerings. > > > > Over the next months, Sun and MySQL will strive to reach full > integration globally. Due to relevant country legal > > requirements, different timelines for completing that full > integration may apply. Nonetheless, Sun will work to meet > > your needs as a valued customer, whatever

> Not that I'm flaming certain marketing folks within the IM pillar. They > have their hands tied and are trying to do things that they can't do > "through channels". Why does it never occur to this group that IBM is not a stupid company and is doing precisely what it decided to do when it acquired Informix. You may not like it that your personal playtoy is where it is. But IBM didn't acquire Informix because it saw a great strategic opportunity in having a second, competing, database product. In all of the years Informix has been an IBM product the behavior of IBM has been consistent. And consistency is a clear indication that they are perfectly pleased with where things are. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

On Feb 28, 11:28 am, DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org> wrote: > > Not that I'm flaming certain marketing folks within the IM pillar. They > > have their hands tied and are trying to do things that they can't do > > "through channels". > > Why does it never occur to this group that IBM is not a stupid company > and is doing precisely what it decided to do when it acquired Informix. > > You may not like it that your personal playtoy is where it is. But IBM > didn't acquire Informix because it saw a great strategic opportunity > in having a second, competing, database product. > > In all of the years Informix has been an IBM product the behavior of > IBM has been consistent. And consistency is a clear indication that > they are perfectly pleased with where things are. > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > University of Washington > damor...@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Well said Daniel. I was there from the start - on the Informix team, writing a Redbook to help people transition from IDS to DB2 (we told them it wouldn't happen), and on the Worldwide team that did the IDS 10 tour(s). I agree about the consistency from IBM, whether we like it or not. I personally know that the initial plan was to move all IDS customers to DB2. That became clear over time that it wasn't going to happen, so everything started to change. Slowly, but it did. One of our poster-people (all pun intended) said that "Janet couldn't utter IDS"...well - I stood in Tokyo on the same stage with Janet - and all I talked about was IDS. So did Janet. At that point, it wasn't clear to all that IDS was here to stay, but tide was starting to turn already. IBM HAS adopted IDS as the OLTP engine - that has been made clear. This is a HUGE victory considering one of my first goals handed down by mgmt was to "help the IDS customers understand the value of transititioning to DB2." Of course, I didn't do that at all. All I said in the 18 cities tour I did right after the acquisition was "learn as much as you can about DB2, and then you can make an educated decision." Wasn't exactly what was wanted, but as always it was honest, technically pure, and gave the customers credit and respect for what they have learned (and loved) about the IDS architecture over the years. Mark Scranton Xtivia Inc.

mark.scranton@gmail.com wrote: > On Feb 28, 11:28 am, DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org> wrote: >>> Not that I'm flaming certain marketing folks within the IM pillar. They >>> have their hands tied and are trying to do things that they can't do >>> "through channels". >> Why does it never occur to this group that IBM is not a stupid company >> and is doing precisely what it decided to do when it acquired Informix. >> >> You may not like it that your personal playtoy is where it is. But IBM >> didn't acquire Informix because it saw a great strategic opportunity >> in having a second, competing, database product. >> >> In all of the years Informix has been an IBM product the behavior of >> IBM has been consistent. And consistency is a clear indication that >> they are perfectly pleased with where things are. >> -- >> Daniel A. Morgan >> University of Washington >> damor...@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > > Well said Daniel. I was there from the start - on the Informix team, > writing a Redbook to help people transition from IDS to DB2 (we told > them it wouldn't happen), and on the Worldwide team that did the IDS > 10 tour(s). I agree about the consistency from IBM, whether we like it > or not. I personally know that the initial plan was to move all IDS > customers to DB2. That became clear over time that it wasn't going to > happen, so everything started to change. Slowly, but it did. One of > our poster-people (all pun intended) said that "Janet couldn't utter > IDS"...well - I stood in Tokyo on the same stage with Janet - and all > I talked about was IDS. So did Janet. At that point, it wasn't clear > to all that IDS was here to stay, but tide was starting to turn > already. IBM HAS adopted IDS as the OLTP engine - that has been made > clear. This is a HUGE victory considering one of my first goals handed > down by mgmt was to "help the IDS customers understand the value of > transititioning to DB2." Of course, I didn't do that at all. All I > said in the 18 cities tour I did right after the acquisition was > "learn as much as you can about DB2, and then you can make an educated > decision." Wasn't exactly what was wanted, but as always it was > honest, technically pure, and gave the customers credit and respect > for what they have learned (and loved) about the IDS architecture over > the years. > > Mark Scranton > Xtivia Inc. After reading your post I have the clear feeling that something has changed... DA said exactly the opposite. And of course, people changed... Anyway... My point it that things changed... and they are changing... and the product is changing... But of course, by DA point of view, we should not be talking about Informix as a product by now... It should have been gone a few years ago... Keep trying... But to be successful you should bring Oracle customers here... I'd say only them will believe you by now... Regards. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...