Re: current informix white papers ?

Posted in 2008

Floyd Wellershaus — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:19:26 -0600 (CST) — source: Usenet: comp.databases.informix

Thanks for the explanation Fernando. I am fighting some heavily entrenched notions that I don't quite understand yet. Our CTO read the IDC report and somehow gleaned from that, that Informix doesn't suit our heavy OTLP batch and web online environment as well as Oracle. I'm still trying to pin their thinking down on that one, because I read the opposite in it. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: current informix white papers ? Date: Fri, February 29, 2008 10:56 From: "Fernando Nunes" <spam@onlinedomus.net> Floyd Wellershaus wrote: > >>> As for the original post, this reminds me another flame a while ago... If > > someone is interested in moving to Oracle because of HA, someone should > > really > > find out what is really motivating them... Pay more and suffer a migration to > > gain nothing that eases their pain... sounds completely wrong... > > << > > > > I assure you I am not flaming or trolling. I really think the main push to > > consider Oracle has more to do with our Developement team crying for it > > for years. There are lots of tools to make a developers job easier it > > seems, and getting developers that know Oracle is supposedly easier. > > > > I believe you... And what you're saying matches my thoughts... It's not because > of HA... > > > Believe me, I am trying my best to fight them on this. I am not interested > > in dealing with a harder to maintain database that doesn't handle our load > > as well. Proving it to the management is another issue though. > > > > Sure. And the references that you were given may help with the HA reasoning, > but will they be useful regarding your development team worries? Probably not > > > If we do go to Oracle, it would probably be with RAC plus DataGuard, which > > I think will cover most if not all of the same areas that Informix HA > > stuff does, and I guess I can look at it as that I'll be learning a new > > gig and getting more marketable. > > Which is understandable... > > > > > I'm amazed at the controversy my little question sparked, and am reading > > it all hoping to take in something of value. Your apparent thought that my > > initial post was some sort flame is not something I expected however. > > I didn't explain myself clearly... I didn't mean your question was a flame. If > I made that impression I'm sorry. I tried to say, that this question reminds me > a recent thread that turn into a flame... > As for your hopes of reading something of value, you'll be better served with > the white papers... My experience tells me that any discussion with DA Morgan > turns into useless crap... He will probably try to "sell" Oracle RAC, and if it > fails he will try to "sell himself" as he does even in the Oracle groups... > > If he chooses to show the Oracle RAC features you may gain something, but if he > goes the other way (show Informix lack of features) it will be awful, because > his knowledge of the product is inexistent (although the time he spends here > could have help him to gain some knowledge) and his ability to search > information about it is very weak... > > Any way, my point is apparently valid... The reasons apparently are not very HA > specific... So after educating yourself on Oracle/Informix HA features you may > want to find out what are the problems your development team find in > Informix... And then, as always, there will be people here trying to help you > (and/or them). Even if we fail, at least we'll learn more about developers > concerns regarding Informix. This is also helpful, both to IBM and to their > Informix customers and as such is good for this group. > > Regards, > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > >

↪ replying to Floyd Wellershaus

Fernando Nunes — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:53:55 +0000 — source: Usenet: comp.databases.informix

Floyd Wellershaus wrote: > Thanks for the explanation Fernando. I am fighting some heavily entrenched > notions that I don't quite understand yet. Our CTO read the IDC report and > somehow gleaned from that, that Informix doesn't suit our heavy OTLP batch > and web online environment as well as Oracle. I'm still trying to pin > their thinking down on that one, because I read the opposite in it. And besides the IDC report, what is your company experience with it? Do you have problems with it? Lack of performance? Downtime? If the answer to any of these is yes, you should examine why, and in which version. If the answers to all of these are no, then I'd say we're wasting time. If someone has the power to decide and has already done it, then hire a few more DBAs, improve your hardware, get yourself trained and end of story :) We've been "traveling" from HA to "suit OLTP and web" passing by "developer doubts"... the only thing constant apparently is the unreasoned will to change... Anyway, we'll be here to help, if and when a real problem arises... Regards, -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...