Re: Oracle ?

Serge Rielau said: > Mark Townsend wrote: >> Captain Pedantic wrote: >> >>> >>> Definitely true with DB2. It can heal itself you know. >>> And it has a single code base. >>> >> So I have to ask - does anybody actually grok IBM Marketing ? >> >> As some of you may know, IBM inherited the old Informix bill board on >> the 101 right outside the Oracle campus in Redwood Shores. >> >> When Informix had it we saw some really funny adverts during the >> Billboard wars - classics such as "Warning, Dinosaur Crossing" and "You >> have just passed Oracle (and so have we)" etc etc (Google for Informix >> and Billboard and Wars for some background) >> >> Then Informix hit us with the famous "Way to Web". We all yawned, but at >> least Informix has an excuse. >> >> Since the takeover, we have had IBM's Codernaughts, Middleware is >> Everywhere, and Linus as a Child. We all went WTF ? >> >> The latest has really go me perplexed. The bill board is divided into >> two halves. One half (left hand side) has a 'Closed' sign on it. The >> other half (right hand side) has a "Come in we are open" sign on it >> (like you see in the doors of shops, etc). >> >> In the middle it has the IBM logo, with 'Trapped' extending off to the >> left, and "Liberated" extending of to the right hand side. Trapped = >> Closed, Liberated = Open, etc etc. >> >> That's it. >> >> I don't get it - well, I get it, but it's incredibly facile, and I just >> don't think anybody driving down the 101 will believe it. >> >> Did we just discover were Informix marketeers went to die ? >> > IBM has >300,000 employees vs. Oracle ~50,000 (?). > IBMs primary business is innovation, It is NOT fighting Oracle or > Microsoft. Is that what they do? IBM certainly isn't fighting Accenture or HP or... no hang on, ... Serge, that is utter bullshit. > Innovation is like the tide. Making it rise raises the IBM ship and with > it it raises Oracle, Microsoft etc, ... . IBM takes as little offense > with this as a shark minds cleaner-fish picking its teeth. So what you're saying is that IBM is the only company that gets the big picture? And everyone else is further down the food chain, surviving on the strength of IBM? > When Larry was proud of cashing in on IBM's "eBusiness" strategie IBM by > no means lost. > The same is true for the grid, onDemand, CM, II, pushing Linux. > IBM approach to business is terra forming not subdivision development. > As long as on the broad scale IBM captures enough of the latter they > don't mind the spillage. Your humility is touching. I'm sort of starting to see why dealing with IBM is so much fun for us poor pondscum round the edges of the tide that IBM is so generously lifting for us. > The ads you see therefore are much more abstract and broad. "Vague" and "meaningless" are probably words I'd choose. In fact, I'd probably choose some even stronger ones if I cared enough. > I'm sure there are companies that like Oracle's approach to rip and > replace (closed). But there are also ton's who firmly believe (or are > condemned) in the heterogeneous world (open). WTF does that have to do with IBM's "exceptional" marketing techniques? > FWIW I like that ad a lot. The attitudes refered to are well reflected > in a number of posts in the Oracle newsgroups. There is little tolerance > for anyone asking for portable solutions to a problem. Huh? Oh well, must be a German - Canadian thing. And lay off the KoolAid, it's DEFINITELY rotting your brain. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche "I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't get my head up my ass" - JCH "Ogni uomo mi guarda come se fossi una testa di cazzo" - Marco I went to the airport to check in and they asked what I did because I looked like a terrorist. I said I was a comedian. They said, "Say something funny then." I told them I had just graduated from flying school. -- Ahmed Ahmed sending to informix-list