Re: PEAR DB 1.6.0 has been released
Galen Boyer <galenboyer@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<uwu69g7c4.fsf@standardandpoors.com>... > On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, damorgan@x.washington.edu wrote: > > > All SPAM is bad spam. I don't care if you are giving it away > > for free. I don't care if you personally show up, install it, > > configure it train on it, and then give me a check for $50: It > > is still spam. > > I'm on the fence on this one. What is different from what this > guy posted and what Jonathan Lewis posts every month? Let's see, Jonathan posted only in one group at a time (I did not find any multiposts.) His Ads were ORACLE related and posted in ORACLE groups This guy posted in multiple discussion groups, none related to his product announcement. None of the groups were .announce, .forsale or .marketplace. > > Sure, Jonathan is a great contributor, and well respected, but he > is "advertising" a site. Is it so different, or is every > posting's "Spam rating" to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. > I would never call Jonathan's postings spam, but I also have a > hard time truly distinquishing that from the original posting in > this thread. > Now I think we did discuss Jonathan's posts and the preferred place for them is still the marketplace group. But his posts in the other ORACLE groups have been tolerated since he does CONTRIBUTE to those groups. Has the OP, Analysis&Solutions (info@analysisandsolutions.com) contributed anything here? Well a google search in c.d.oracle.* shows only 4 posts by that email, one is the original PEAR advert, the other three were all Questions about date formatting. So I conclude that he contributes NOTHING to comp.databases.oracle.* What he contributes to open source movement is a separate issue. And I think I am consistent here. I would chatise the Pope if he posted his newest Encyclical in the oracle group, because it would be off topic, even if the tile of the encyclical was something like "St. John: ORACLE of the New testament". > About a year ago, I had embarked on building an open source Oracle > extension to Emacs to allow for dynamic query building within > Emacs by interacting with metadata from Oracle. I never finished > it, but had I actually published it to the Open source community, > I certainly would have let people in this group know. Would I > have been chastised for that? Galen, you are also well respected in these groups. But I think you answered your own question. It would have been an ORACLE related product. Judging from you past posts, I would expect that, even if you posted an advert in all the oracle groups, you would NOT post it in c.d.db2 or c.d.postgresql I think you are too intelligent to do that. So the view I follow can be summarized as newsgroups are not anything-goes chat rooms. newsgroups have individual cultures newsgroups ar TOPIC related, so not all messages are welcomed hth, ed
MARKED FOR POOP Ed, We had no choice but to mark your post for poop. There was just too much soil to avoid it, and, well, we had no choice. As we indicated to Daniel Morgan, you can appeal our decision after 30 days. Just get us that pic of you and your clean diaper. Some of the things we found in your soil sample: * Complete misunderstandings of what PEAR is * Statements that had no point or were completely off-track * Statements that indicated a possible link to mental health issues such as either low IQ or mental retardation * Statements filled with inaccuracies Please take a moment to review your postings and resubmit them without the errors and we think you'll get out of the poop quickly. -IPP- "Ed prochak" <ed.prochak@magicinterface.com> wrote in message news:4b5394b2.0402271156.6c2ddec7@posting.google.com... > Galen Boyer <galenboyer@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<uwu69g7c4.fsf@standardandpoors.com>... > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, damorgan@x.washington.edu wrote: > > > > > All SPAM is bad spam. I don't care if you are giving it away > > > for free. I don't care if you personally show up, install it, > > > configure it train on it, and then give me a check for $50: It > > > is still spam. > > > > I'm on the fence on this one. What is different from what this > > guy posted and what Jonathan Lewis posts every month? > > Let's see, > Jonathan posted only in one group at a time (I did not find any > multiposts.) > His Ads were ORACLE related and posted in ORACLE groups > > This guy posted in multiple discussion groups, none related to his > product announcement. > None of the groups were .announce, .forsale or .marketplace. > > > > > Sure, Jonathan is a great contributor, and well respected, but he > > is "advertising" a site. Is it so different, or is every > > posting's "Spam rating" to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. > > I would never call Jonathan's postings spam, but I also have a > > hard time truly distinquishing that from the original posting in > > this thread. > > > Now I think we did discuss Jonathan's posts and the preferred place > for them is still the marketplace group. But his posts in the other > ORACLE groups have been tolerated since he does CONTRIBUTE to those > groups. Has the OP, > Analysis&Solutions (info@analysisandsolutions.com) contributed > anything here? > > Well a google search in c.d.oracle.* shows only 4 posts by that email, > one is the original PEAR advert, the other three were all Questions > about date formatting. So I conclude that he contributes NOTHING to > comp.databases.oracle.* > > What he contributes to open source movement is a separate issue. > > And I think I am consistent here. I would chatise the Pope if he > posted his newest Encyclical in the oracle group, because it would be > off topic, even if the tile of the encyclical was something like "St. > John: ORACLE of the New testament". > > > About a year ago, I had embarked on building an open source Oracle > > extension to Emacs to allow for dynamic query building within > > Emacs by interacting with metadata from Oracle. I never finished > > it, but had I actually published it to the Open source community, > > I certainly would have let people in this group know. Would I > > have been chastised for that? > > Galen, you are also well respected in these groups. But I think you > answered your own question. It would have been an ORACLE related > product. Judging from you past posts, I would expect that, even if you > posted an advert in all the oracle groups, you would NOT post it in > c.d.db2 or c.d.postgresql > I think you are too intelligent to do that. > > So the view I follow can be summarized as > newsgroups are not anything-goes chat rooms. > newsgroups have individual cultures > newsgroups ar TOPIC related, so not all messages are welcomed > > hth, > ed
ed.prochak@magicinterface.com (Ed prochak) writes: [PEAR DB] >This guy posted in multiple discussion groups, none related to his >product. The program (not 'product' - it is not for sale) works with DB2, Informix and Oracle among other RDBMSes. I couldn't find the charter for cd.ibm-db2, but I have checked those for .informix and .oracle.misc and both of those groups appear related to the program. >None of the groups were .announce, .forsale or .marketplace. .announce is a fair point, if there were an .announce group that should probably be used instead. But there isn't. .forsale is not appropriate because the program is not for sale. .marketplace is not appropriate because it is not a commercial announcement. (Again, I say this based on reading the charter for the .oracle.marketplace group.) >Now I think we did discuss Jonathan's posts and the preferred place >for them is still the marketplace group. But his posts in the other >ORACLE groups have been tolerated since he does CONTRIBUTE to those >groups. Has the OP, Analysis&Solutions >(info@analysisandsolutions.com) contributed anything here? I think you should just the article, not the poster. Is the article about PEAR DB ontopic for the group? (It is related to the database systems in question.) Is it prohibited by the charter or by general Usenet rules against commercial announcements? (It is non-commercial and unconditionally free software, so I think it is allowed.) >Well a google search in c.d.oracle.* shows only 4 posts by that >email, one is the original PEAR advert, the other three were all >Questions about date formatting. So I conclude that he contributes >NOTHING to comp.databases.oracle.* If he has posted a helpful announcement about PEAR DB, and that program is related to Oracle, then he has contributed something. But again, judge each article on its merits, don't just the poster. -- Ed Avis <ed@membled.com>