Re: informix market share
Not a technical support thread: it's a debate over Informix's RDBMS market share. One poster claimed ~5% in 2004 and was asked for a source; figures were derived from 2003 Unix/Linux-only license revenue ($140M of $2.34B, ~6%). Mark Townsend argued Windows must be included, giving ~2% in 2003 and Gartner's 1.4% in 2004, and cited a Gartner press release; the original poster conceded the point. Discussion then drifted into SQL Server growth, Informix's 'legacy/embedded' future, and doubts about analyst numbers. No technical problem or fix is recorded.
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> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. Any links to support your figure?
"xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. > Any links to support your figure? check this post http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/4a450c920bbca6f3/f79b304206e42a46?lnk=st&q=insubject%3Amarket+insubject%3Ashare+insubject%3A2003&rnum=1&hl=en#f79b304206e42a46 It talks about market share in 2003. Here is how the market share of Informix was reached. In 2003, total license sales of RDBMS on Unix/Linux was 2.34 billion dollars. Informix's share was 140 million. That makes it 5.98%. Flame: RDBMS on Windows amounted to 2.79 billion. That means database sell more on windows than on Unix. So much for MS being crap in OS.
xiaoxin wrote: >>The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. > > Any links to support your figure? > Gartner put the Informix product share at 1.4% of Overall RDBMS Market Share. I don't believe IDC break out the Informix numbers anymore in their market share reports. According to both Gartner and IDC, the IBM DB2 brand (which includes Informix) is growing slower than the overall market.
Mark Townsend wrote: > xiaoxin wrote: > >>> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >> >> >> Any links to support your figure? >> > > Gartner put the Informix product share at 1.4% of Overall RDBMS Market > Share. > > I don't believe IDC break out the Informix numbers anymore in their > market share reports. > > According to both Gartner and IDC, the IBM DB2 brand (which includes > Informix) is growing slower than the overall market. 1.4%? That is unsustainable no matter the passion of those that use it. Though, I guess, Informix could become for IBM what Rdb is for Oracle. -- Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
rkusenet wrote: > "xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > >>>The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >> >>Any links to support your figure? > > > check this post > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/4a450c920bbca6f3/f79b304206e42a46?lnk=st&q=insubject%3Amarket+insubject%3Ashare+insubject%3A2003&rnum=1&hl=en#f79b304206e42a46 > > It talks about market share in 2003. > > Here is how the market share of Informix was reached. > > In 2003, total license sales of RDBMS on Unix/Linux was 2.34 billion dollars. > Informix's share was 140 million. That makes it 5.98%. > > Flame: RDBMS on Windows amounted to 2.79 billion. > That means database sell more on windows than on Unix. > So much for MS being crap in OS. > > Shouldn't that calculation be 140 million of the _total_ 7.6 billion marketshare in 2003 ? i.e about 1.8% in 2003, now 1.4% in 2004, over .4% of a percent drop, or approximately a total of 108 million in revenue (or a 22% drop in revenue year over year). Those figures are believable
"Mark Townsend" <markbtownsend@comcast.net> wrote in message news:438A486D.9000802@comcast.net... > rkusenet wrote: >> "xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> >>>>The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >>> >>>Any links to support your figure? >> >> >> check this post >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/4a450c920bbca6f3/f79b304206e42a46?lnk=st&q=insubject%3Amarket+insubject%3Ashare+insubject%3A2003&rnum=1&hl=en#f79b304206e42a46 >> >> It talks about market share in 2003. >> >> Here is how the market share of Informix was reached. >> >> In 2003, total license sales of RDBMS on Unix/Linux was 2.34 billion dollars. >> Informix's share was 140 million. That makes it 5.98%. >> >> Flame: RDBMS on Windows amounted to 2.79 billion. >> That means database sell more on windows than on Unix. >> So much for MS being crap in OS. >> >> > Shouldn't that calculation be 140 million of the _total_ 7.6 billion marketshare in 2003 ? i.e > about 1.8% in 2003, now 1.4% in 2004, over .4% of a percent drop, or approximately a total of > 108 million in revenue (or a 22% drop in revenue year over year). Those figures are believable Mark, To get the context of 5.8%, please read my earlier reponse here http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/23efaf53d18c215b/e5fa01410ec60ad1#e5fa01410ec60ad1 SQL Server's share is around 19% overall, but an awesome 60% in Windows. So to get the right prespective, I think one should mention that.
Mark Townsend wrote: > rkusenet wrote: > >> "xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> >>>> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >>> >>> >>> Any links to support your figure? >> >> >> >> check this post >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/4a450c920bbca6f3/f79b304206e42a46?lnk=st&q=insubject%3Amarket+insubject%3Ashare+insubject%3A2003&rnum=1&hl=en#f79b304206e42a46 >> >> >> It talks about market share in 2003. >> >> Here is how the market share of Informix was reached. >> >> In 2003, total license sales of RDBMS on Unix/Linux was 2.34 billion >> dollars. >> Informix's share was 140 million. That makes it 5.98%. >> >> Flame: RDBMS on Windows amounted to 2.79 billion. >> That means database sell more on windows than on Unix. >> So much for MS being crap in OS. >> >> > Shouldn't that calculation be 140 million of the _total_ 7.6 billion > marketshare in 2003 ? i.e about 1.8% in 2003, now 1.4% in 2004, over .4% > of a percent drop, or approximately a total of 108 million in revenue > (or a 22% drop in revenue year over year). Those figures are believable > Sorry - error in the numbers. It's 7.06 billion not 7.6 billion. That makes the calculations as follows: About 2% market share in 2003 .6 of a percent drop Approximate revenue in 2004 of around 98 million (or a 30% drop in revenue year over year) $100 million in revenue a year, dropping by 30% a year ? I hope Janet doesn't have to pay the vig on the loan personally :-)
rkusenet wrote: > > Mark, > To get the context of 5.8%, please read my earlier > reponse here > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/23efaf53d18c215b/e5fa01410ec60ad1#e5fa01410ec60ad1 > > SQL Server's share is around 19% overall, but an awesome 60% > in Windows. So to get the right prespective, I think one should > mention that. > I did read it, I was in fact pointing out that I think your selection of market size is flawed. I don't see how you can exclude Windows, its the largest market for all of the vendors, including Informix (I presume); and to provide comparable numbers to the other vendor's reported numbers in the article you posted, you need to take the whole market.
"Mark Townsend" <markbtownsend@comcast.net> wrote in message news:438A4E7C.6020000@comcast.net... > rkusenet wrote: > >> >> Mark, >> To get the context of 5.8%, please read my earlier >> reponse here >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/23efaf53d18c215b/e5fa01410ec60ad1#e5fa01410ec60ad1 >> >> SQL Server's share is around 19% overall, but an awesome 60% >> in Windows. So to get the right prespective, I think one should >> mention that. >> > > I did read it, I was in fact pointing out that I think your selection of market size is flawed. > I don't see how you can exclude Windows, its the largest market for all of the vendors, > including Informix (I presume); and to provide comparable numbers to the other vendor's reported > numbers in the article you posted, you need to take the whole market. You do have a point.
"xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. > Any links to support your figure? > http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/asset_127553_11.html
Bob Jones wrote: > "xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >> Any links to support your figure? >> > > http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/asset_127553_11.html > > Well that just about says it all. Great link. Two words describe Informix, "embedded" and "legacy". One word is being marketed by IBM, the rest is just pure market reality. The only place left to go after embedded is entombed. Informix is living in a coma, and the damn thing just never seems to die, somebody take out the feeding tube! Informix will eventually fade into obscurity. Pity. All that goodness, all that greatness, all that hard work, all that 1.4% market share, down the shitter.
"RollForward Wizard" <rollforward@rollforward.com> wrote in message news:7wtif.17164$c06.13325@fe04.usenetserver.com... > Bob Jones wrote: >> "xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>>> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >>> Any links to support your figure? >>> >> >> http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/asset_127553_11.html > Well that just about says it all. Great link. Yes a great link. I am wondering who are those customers who actually bought 110 million dollars worth of new license of Informix. Are they existing customers buying new license as their business grew or totally new customers. Also it is important to note that SQL Server grew by 18% despite not coming out with any new version. In fact in 2004 SS2000 was 4 yrs old. Tells a lot about it, right? > > Two words describe Informix, "embedded" and "legacy". One word is being > marketed by IBM, the rest is just pure market reality. The only place > left to go after embedded is entombed. Informix is living in a coma, and > the damn thing just never seems to die, somebody take out the feeding tube! > > Informix will eventually fade into obscurity. Pity. All that goodness, > all that greatness, all that hard work, all that 1.4% market share, down > the shitter. >
rkusenet wrote: > "Mark Townsend" <markbtownsend@comcast.net> wrote in message news:438A4E7C.6020000@comcast.net... > >>rkusenet wrote: >> >> >>>Mark, >>>To get the context of 5.8%, please read my earlier >>>reponse here >>>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/browse_frm/thread/23efaf53d18c215b/e5fa01410ec60ad1#e5fa01410ec60ad1 >>> >>>SQL Server's share is around 19% overall, but an awesome 60% >>>in Windows. So to get the right prespective, I think one should >>>mention that. >>> >> >>I did read it, I was in fact pointing out that I think your selection of market size is flawed. >>I don't see how you can exclude Windows, its the largest market for all of the vendors, >>including Informix (I presume); and to provide comparable numbers to the other vendor's reported >>numbers in the article you posted, you need to take the whole market. > > > You do have a point. > > Including mainframes? -- Serge Rielau DB2 SQL Compiler Development IBM Toronto Lab
It would be too high for DB2 if it doesn't. << "Much of IBM's growth was generated by its DB2 on the zSeries platform, and IBM's DB2 sales on the Unix platform performed well with nearly 9 percent growth," Colleen Graham, principal analyst at Gartner. >>
rkusenet wrote: > "RollForward Wizard" <rollforward@rollforward.com> wrote in message > news:7wtif.17164$c06.13325@fe04.usenetserver.com... >> Bob Jones wrote: >>> "xiaoxin" <lixiaoxinwb@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:1133132461.988551.14130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>>>> The market share for Informix was about 5% in 2004, down 1% from 2003. >>>> Any links to support your figure? >>>> >>> http://www.gartner.com/press_releases/asset_127553_11.html >> Well that just about says it all. Great link. > > Yes a great link. > > I am wondering who are those customers who actually bought > 110 million dollars worth of new license of Informix. Are they > existing customers buying new license as their business grew > or totally new customers. > Top of the table says "...Based on New License Sales" . It's still only 1.4% of the market, and that means it's half of what it ever was. Almost a beginning market position. It would take a real killer ad campaign and a real marketing blitz at this point to get it even into a position worth mentioning. Not everyone can work for Walmart, Sears, or Home Depot, and give Informix a pat on the back as if it mattered. > Also it is important to note that SQL Server grew by 18% despite > not coming out with any new version. In fact in 2004 SS2000 was > 4 yrs old. Tells a lot about it, right? > Ya. Marketing. Windows is THE battleground for DB2 and anyone else wanting to take the top spot. Interesting that if Informix people could actually articulate some of the competitive advantages of Informix over Oracle ( re: replication, clustering, HA, etc ) into the marketing message, that it might stand a chance of making a comeback. But IBM can make the same message with DB2, they hardly need Informix to say that or anything. All that new effort into a 1% market cannot possibly be sustained forever. >> Two words describe Informix, "embedded" and "legacy". One word is being >> marketed by IBM, the rest is just pure market reality. The only place >> left to go after embedded is entombed. Informix is living in a coma, and >> the damn thing just never seems to die, somebody take out the feeding tube! >> >> Informix will eventually fade into obscurity. Pity. All that goodness, >> all that greatness, all that hard work, all that 1.4% market share, down >> the shitter. >> >
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:07:31 -0500, rkusenet wrote: > > Also it is important to note that SQL Server grew by 18% despite > not coming out with any new version. In fact in 2004 SS2000 was > 4 yrs old. Tells a lot about it, right? Based on what? Once upon a time, Microsoft used to count any delivery of any Microsoft OS as a client to SQL Server and included that in the total of delivered SQL Server installations, whether used or not. Makes one wonder if such reporting is reoccurring.
HansF wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:07:31 -0500, rkusenet wrote: > > > > > Also it is important to note that SQL Server grew by 18% despite > > not coming out with any new version. In fact in 2004 SS2000 was > > 4 yrs old. Tells a lot about it, right? > > Based on what? Once upon a time, Microsoft used to count any delivery of > any Microsoft OS as a client to SQL Server and included that in the total > of delivered SQL Server installations, whether used or not. Makes one > wonder if such reporting is reoccurring. It's a Gartner market "analysis". Any semblance to what the real world does is pure coincidence...