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CKGeier@nwc.edu said: > Actually, > > Being female and a part of this *professional* listserv I enjoy so much, I This is a *professional* listserv? Oh shit, I'd better go elsewhere then. > regret that you used a part of my anatomy as a curse word. Oh ,sigh. I'm > sure that I speak for most of the women on this listserv, and I'll take > whatever you want to give back, in order to support my gender. Personally, as a bloke, I really don't understand why women get so exercised about the word, myself. I mean, I have never, ever, once thought, or met any man who thought, "Calling someone a dickhead (or any possible equivalent term) is so demeaning and offensive". Yet it seems that the world is full of things that people find offensive, and it's hard to please everyone all the time. It's even harder to please people when they can only go by your words and don't share your scotch-fuelled bonhomie. I suppose girlies will be girlies. Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Impy lately? > Ah, what's > the professional world coming to? I do very much enjoy the posts I read > from you, Obnoxio. I laughed during much of this banter as I also felt > very annoyed that someone would have the nerve and foolishness to ask us > hard-working gurus to do his homework, Thanks for your apology and to > everyone who set him straight! Unfortunately, I will only be a part of > this listserv for a couple more years as we just purchased a new ERP > package and it's based on ORACLE! Sad, sad, sad. I'll miss this place > and all the beautiful people. No reason to leave, just because you're not using the product...? I mean, *I'm* still here. :o) -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche "I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't get my head up my ass" - JCH "Ogni uomo mi guarda come se fossi una testa di cazzo" - Marco Travel broadens a person. You look as if you have been all over the world. I went to the airport to check in and they asked what I did because I looked like a terrorist. I said I was a comedian. They said, "Say something funny then." I told them I had just graduated from flying school. -- Ahmed Ahmed http://members.rogers.com/2remedy/images/smilies/banners/RTFM.gif sending to informix-list

OTC wrote: > > CKGeier@nwc.edu said: > > Actually, > > > > Being female and a part of this *professional* listserv I enjoy so much, I > > This is a *professional* listserv? Oh shit, I'd better go elsewhere then. Hold that thought for a moment... > > regret that you used [...] a curse word. Oh ,sigh. I'm > > sure that I speak for most of the women on this listserv, and I'll take > > whatever you want to give back, in order to support my gender. > > Personally, as a bloke, I really don't understand why women get so > exercised about the word, myself. I mean, I have never, ever, once > thought, or met any man who thought, "Calling someone a dickhead (or any > possible equivalent term) is so demeaning and offensive". [...] Of course you haven't. There isn't an equivalent term. If you don't understand why women get so upset, then you are missing all that that word means. And it has only a very tiny bit to do with anatomy. It is a derogatory term that is on par with one that was used (in the US, anyway) by whites to degrade blacks. When you use the word that you did, there is no mistaking who it is aimed at. That said, it really isn't important if you understand it. Simply remember, and respect, that many of us do get upset over that word. That's all we ask. Oh, and if you decide to use it anyway, be prepared for some fallout. You might also want to make sure you are out of striking distance when you say it. > > Ah, what's > > the professional world coming to? I do very much enjoy the posts I read > > from you, Obnoxio. I laughed during much of this banter as I also felt > > very annoyed that someone would have the nerve and foolishness to ask us > > hard-working gurus to do his homework, Thanks for your apology and to > > everyone who set him straight! Unfortunately, I will only be a part of > > this listserv for a couple more years as we just purchased a new ERP > > package and it's based on ORACLE! Sad, sad, sad. I'll miss this place > > and all the beautiful people. > > No reason to leave, just because you're not using the product...? I mean, > *I'm* still here. :o) Ok, back to the held thought... You've decided to stay? Good! Everyone needs a light moment now and again, and watching you step in it from time to time definitely lightens things up. :-) June

June C. Hunt wrote: > OTC wrote: >> >> Personally, as a bloke, I really don't understand why women get so >> exercised about the word, myself. I mean, I have never, ever, once >> thought, or met any man who thought, "Calling someone a dickhead (or >> any possible equivalent term) is so demeaning and offensive". [...] > > Of course you haven't. There isn't an equivalent term. If you don't > understand why women get so upset, then you are missing all that that > word means. And it has only a very tiny bit to do with anatomy. It > is a derogatory term that is on par with one that was used (in the > US, anyway) by whites to degrade blacks. When you use the word that > you did, there is no mistaking who it is aimed at. > [ETC ETC ETC] Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are serious.

Andrew Hamm wrote: > > Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are serious. > Umm - that actually _is_ her name. And, FWIW, I think she is deadly serious.

Mark Townsend wrote: > Andrew Hamm wrote: > >> >> Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are serious. >> > Umm - that actually _is_ her name. And, FWIW, I think she is deadly > serious. > > June Christine Hunt Damn straight I'm serious.

Mark Townsend wrote: > Andrew Hamm wrote: > >> >> Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are >> serious. >> > Umm - that actually _is_ her name. And, FWIW, I think she is deadly > serious. No doubt. And in this fundamentalist dominated world, we must all toe the line of course.

June C. Hunt wrote: > > Damn straight I'm serious. Well, that's why the word is such an effective insult. Your attitude only gives continuing licence to use it as a brutal put-down. OTC makes a good point - calling someone a dickhead is losing power - it's almost comical now, because nobody gives a damn that it's somehow insulting to dicks, the heads of dicks, or the 1/2 of the population sporting one. It used to be insulting before people became more relaxed about swearing. Work to propagate your attitude and you'll guarantee the continuance of this behaviour. Perhaps the Virginia state legislature can pass a law against it.

Andrew Hamm wrote: > June C. Hunt wrote: > >>Damn straight I'm serious. > > > Well, that's why the word is such an effective insult. Your attitude only > gives continuing licence to use it as a brutal put-down. My *name* makes that crude word an effective insult? Please explain how my name - June Christine Hunt - validates such a crude term. I'm sure there are plenty of others who would be interested in your definition. I sure would be. I'm sure my mother-in-law would be. Why does 'Hunt' open me up to insult when my "maiden" name of Allen would not? I'm certainly interested in your definition. Do you need a refresher? Mark Townsend wrote: > Andrew Hamm wrote: > >> >> Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are serious. >> > Umm - that actually _is_ her name. And, FWIW, I think she is deadly serious. > So... what part of that Mark's comment do you not understand? > OTC makes a good point - calling someone a dickhead is losing power - it's > almost comical now, because nobody gives a damn that it's somehow > insulting to dicks, the heads of dicks, or the 1/2 of the population > sporting one. It used to be insulting before people became more relaxed > about swearing. Work to propagate your attitude and you'll guarantee the > continuance of this behaviour What does this paragraph have to do with anything? It certainly has nothing to do with my name. It has, as far as I can tell, very little - if anything - to do with OTC's original post. He was commenting on the laziness of a student. So...??? > Perhaps the Virginia state legislature can pass a law against it. Further, what does the state of Virginia have to do with anything beyond the interest of those in the state of Virginia?? If you want or need a platform, you've got it. But what it has to do with my name... I'm at a loss. In fact, I'm thoroughly disgusted. I've read of your interest in beer and wine and considered looking you up when I get to Oz, but, based on what I've seen here... I think I'll pass. -- June C. Hunt

June C. Hunt wrote: > Andrew Hamm wrote: >> June C. Hunt wrote: >> >>> Damn straight I'm serious. >> >> >> Well, that's why the word is such an effective insult. Your attitude >> only gives continuing licence to use it as a brutal put-down. > > My *name* makes that crude word an effective insult? Please explain > how my name - June Christine Hunt - validates such a crude term. nooooo.... the "I'm serious bit" is what validates the power of the insult. I'm sure the contemporary "c hunt" joke mis-spelling was not around at the time of your birth and naming, so you can hardly be held responsible for that. No wait, you mention by marriage. You cannot be blamed for Cupids decision on where to fire the arrow either. I'm referring to your seriousness, and your indignation. Insults have no power if people don't take the underlying references so personally. > Do you need a refresher? No, but are you offering one? On political correctness?

Andrew Hamm wrote: > June C. Hunt wrote: > >>Andrew Hamm wrote: >> >>>June C. Hunt wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Damn straight I'm serious. >>> >>> >>>Well, that's why the word is such an effective insult. Your attitude >>>only gives continuing licence to use it as a brutal put-down. >> >>My *name* makes that crude word an effective insult? Please explain >>how my name - June Christine Hunt - validates such a crude term. > > > nooooo.... the "I'm serious bit" is what validates the power of the > insult. I'm sure the contemporary "c hunt" joke mis-spelling was not > around at the time of your birth and naming, so you can hardly be held > responsible for that. No wait, you mention by marriage. You cannot be > blamed for Cupids decision on where to fire the arrow either. > > I'm referring to your seriousness, and your indignation. Insults have no > power if people don't take the underlying references so personally. My indignation goes no further than my name. Plain and simple, there is no special meaning in it. June Christine Hunt. However, in your original post you wrote and Mark Townsend responded: > Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are serious. > >>Umm - that actually _is_ her name. And, FWIW, I think she is deadly serious. Mark is entirely correct. That *is* my name and I was serious. Why do my middle initial and last name merit quotes? In addition to that, based on the paragraph that you originally responded to and the quotes around 'C Hunt', what word would you use to give equal status to the offensiveness of the one that a few of us females objected to? I'm really curious as those of us females who responded basically gave OTC a free ride. We are intelligent enough to account for cultural differences, and don't generally assume that someone is intending to offend half the population. We were simply letting him - and anyone else paying attention - know what is not considered acceptable language in US culture. Seems simple enough from this side. Is there still some confusion? Looking back, I'm also curious about this since the first of my paragraphs refers to the general female response to "the word" and the second paragraph refers to understanding and use of "the word". You clipped the second paragraph and replaced it with "[ETC ETC ETC]". I specifically softened the "indignant" response in that second paragraph by noting that anyone dumb enough to use that word in the presence of a woman should ensure his own safety by making sure that he is out of striking range. Do you have a problem with that piece of advice? -- June C. Hunt

June C. Hunt wrote: > > My indignation goes no further than my name. Plain and simple, there > is no special meaning in it. June Christine Hunt. > > However, in your original post you wrote and Mark Townsend responded: > > Nice one June "C Hunt". You almost had us all believing you are > serious. > > >>Umm - that actually _is_ her name. And, FWIW, I think she is deadly > serious. I'm talking about you being serious in your indignation. I assumed until now that your name is a typical clever anonymous internet handle. Clearly it is. Perhaps you are wondering why I think it's clever? "Sea Hunt" is a kind of comic feau-conservative way of saying the C-word, the same way that some people say Heck instead of Hell, some people (eg the Irish) say shite instead of shit, some people say George Dubya instead of G.W. Bush, and so on. If you are previously unaware of the "Sea Hunt" gimmick, now you know why I might have assumed it was merely an anonymous internet nickname. Now we are both better informed. Let's get back to the subject of censorship...

and now reading further: June C. Hunt wrote: > I'm > really curious as those of us females who responded basically gave > OTC a free ride. We are intelligent enough to account for cultural > differences, and don't generally assume that someone is intending to > offend half the population. We were simply letting him - and anyone > else paying attention - know what is not considered acceptable > language in US culture. Seems simple enough from this side. Is there > still some confusion? oh yeah - I'm sure obbie really welcomes a lesson on US culture. I'm sure he'll question it's very existence. > Looking back, I'm also curious about this since the first of my > paragraphs refers to the general female response to "the word" and the > second paragraph refers to understanding and use of "the word". You > clipped the second paragraph and replaced it with "[ETC ETC ETC]". I clipped becuase in my first posting (and now) i'm not interested in responding to the rest of it. In my first post, I was going on the (mis)assumption that your name was a clever anonymous internet nickname, and I was addressing that. Sometimes the best comedians use a deadpan delivery like that. -- You have to remember all the trivia that your girlfriend tells you, because eventually you get tested. She'll go: "What's my favourite flower?" And you murmur to yourself: "Sh*t, I wasn't listening ...Self- raising?"

Andrew Hamm wrote: > > I'm talking about you being serious in your indignation. I assumed > until now that your name is a typical clever anonymous internet > handle. Clearly it is. dammit - correct that last sentence to "Clearly it isn't".

Andrew Hamm wrote: > > I clipped becuase in my first posting (and now) i'm not interested in > responding to the rest of it. In my first post, I was going on the > (mis)assumption that your name was a clever anonymous internet > nickname, and I was addressing that. Sometimes the best comedians use > a deadpan delivery like that. [I'm well out of practice with this "write and never correct" format of the newsgroup. Forums with Edit are so much easier to be lasy in] Change that last sentence to Sometimes the best comedians use a deadpan delivery very similar to the way your posting was written.

Andrew Hamm wrote: > oh yeah - I'm sure obbie really welcomes a lesson on US culture. I'm sure > he'll question it's very existence. If he doesn't I will. The problem in Europe and the rest of the world is that everyone is assigned to a class. The problem in America is that we don't have any. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)