Re: admin: can this disgusting stuff be deleted?

"Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@mail.com> wrote in message news:c6ptvd$c2lk9$1@ID-79573.news.uni-berlin.de... > lurban@nowhere.zz wrote: > > I agree wholeheartedly. > > Sorry buddy, but you (or the other guy) probably just responded to a troll. > > This troll is a combination of trying to get people into a website, and also > to "pretend" to be a concerned citizen, in the hope of sparking a > cross-posted threat that will probably degenerate into a flame war sooner or > later. > Andrew, I actually read this ng and participate sometimes. I'm not a troll. Normally, I ignore all the ng spam just like you but this stuff is getting unacceptable. I don't know the details of how a newsgroup is monitored, but there must be an administrator somewhere. IMO, that person should delete this crap soon after it's posted. It's not only disgusting but way off topic. For anybody that's interested, a person responded to me personally about my post and gave me a really good tip on munging an email address. Always munge the right (domain) side of the address to reduce the load on your domain's mail server. With a munged domain name the mail server never receives it. -- Brad Kunkel Integrated Business, Inc.

Brad Kunkel wrote: > I actually read this ng and participate sometimes. I'm not a troll. > Normally, I ignore all the ng spam just like you but this stuff is getting > unacceptable. I don't know the details of how a newsgroup is monitored, but > there must be an administrator somewhere. IMO, that person should delete > this crap soon after it's posted. It's not only disgusting but way off > topic. You have a lot to learn about usenet. Usenet is not a message board, usenet groups are a distributed system, messages are stored on your local server and sent from server to server. There is no central point. There is no administrator for a newsgroup. There will usually be an admin at your local server, but there are literally thousands of newsgroups delivered by most servers. There is no one to appeal to. Forget about it. Here's more information (or you can google for "how usenet works"): http://www.smr-usenet.com/tech/how.shtml Brian Rodenborn

"Brad Kunkel" <bkunkel@ibisoftwaredropthis.com> wrote in message news:YN9kc.19$2b2.14303@news.uswest.net... > I actually read this ng and participate sometimes. I'm not a troll. > Normally, I ignore all the ng spam just like you but this stuff is getting > unacceptable. I don't know the details of how a newsgroup is monitored, but > there must be an administrator somewhere. IMO, that person should delete > this crap soon after it's posted. You've really grasped the senescence of this internet thingy, haven't you Brad? Perhaps the United States government should be policing it ....?

Captain Pedantic wrote: > "Brad Kunkel" <bkunkel@ibisoftwaredropthis.com> wrote in message > news:YN9kc.19$2b2.14303@news.uswest.net... > > >>I actually read this ng and participate sometimes. I'm not a troll. >>Normally, I ignore all the ng spam just like you but this stuff is getting >>unacceptable. I don't know the details of how a newsgroup is monitored, > > but > >>there must be an administrator somewhere. IMO, that person should delete >>this crap soon after it's posted. > > > You've really grasped the senescence of this internet thingy, haven't you > Brad? > Perhaps the United States government should be policing it ....? > > you have more patience than me - I was going to reply f***wit and leave it at that - there is never the clown around when you need one :-)

In message <409148B7.6B379E72@boeing.com.invalid>, Default User <first.last@boeing.com.invalid> writes >Brad Kunkel wrote: > >There is no administrator for a newsgroup. Some groups are in fact moderated (aka administered). >There will usually be an >admin at your local server, but there are literally thousands of >newsgroups delivered by most servers. There is no one to appeal to. >Forget about it. > >Here's more information (or you can google for "how usenet works"): > >http://www.smr-usenet.com/tech/how.shtml > > > >Brian Rodenborn -- Alistair Maclean Lisa : Dad, what’s a Muppet? Homer: Well, it’s not quite a mop and it’s not quite a puppet.

Alistair Maclean wrote: > > In message <409148B7.6B379E72@boeing.com.invalid>, Default User > <first.last@boeing.com.invalid> writes > >Brad Kunkel wrote: > > > >There is no administrator for a newsgroup. > > Some groups are in fact moderated (aka administered). I don't believe any of the groups referenced are moderated ones, or the question would not likely have arisen. Moderation is a different beast than is normally thought of as administration. You can complain about moderators letting a post go out, but once it's out there, there's nothing they can do about it. The are a prepost filter, not one for after the fact. There is a great confusion between usenet groups and typical web-based forums, which have a central reposititory for messages, from which a moderator or admin can remove posts. Usenet posts can sometimes be removed via cancels, but some newsservers ignore all cancels. The bottom line is, it's pointless for anyone to ask for an admin to do something about these posts. Brian Rodenborn

Firstly, I'd like to say - Take it easy boys - you know who you are. Play nice in public. Don't hurl sarcasm. It'll end in tears. Brad Kunkel wrote: > > Andrew, > > I actually read this ng and participate sometimes. I'm not a troll. > Normally, I ignore all the ng spam just like you but this stuff is > getting unacceptable. I don't know the details of how a newsgroup is > monitored, but there must be an administrator somewhere. IMO, that > person should delete this crap soon after it's posted. It's not only > disgusting but way off topic. Sadly, no, and that's why netnews is ultimately doomed if too many script kiddies decide it's fun to do damage. I'm holding my breath on the other ng I mentioned - it's been quiet now for a whole 1.5 days.... There is a concept of a cancel-message in netnews, but there's a few complications 1) so many servers out there that it's difficult to clean them all especially because: 2a) not all servers respect a cancel message at all (lack of trust) 2b) some servers have a stricter time limit, or require the cancel to appear to have come from the OP (which is very easy to forge, admittedly) The protocol for netnews is very Hippy. It assumes that people are going to be nice to each other and hand out flowers rather than insults and abuse. Fat chance. Peace and Love to all groovy programmers and admins

"Captain Pedantic" <theharlequin36@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c6rino$f8p8p$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de... > > You've really grasped the senescence of this internet thingy, haven't you > Brad? > Perhaps the United States government should be policing it ....? > Unfortunately Captain, that time is coming if individuals do not take a stand. -- Brad Kunkel Integrated Business, Inc.

"Default User" <first.last@boeing.com.invalid> wrote in message news:409148B7.6B379E72@boeing.com.invalid... > There is no administrator for a newsgroup. There will usually be an > admin at your local server, but there are literally thousands of > newsgroups delivered by most servers. There is no one to appeal to. > Forget about it. > Default: Admins at each local server should take initiative. I believe that at sometime way back in history, every one of these newsgroups had a code of conduct. -- Brad Kunkel Integrated Business, Inc.

Brad Kunkel wrote: > Admins at each local server should take initiative. I believe that at > sometime way back in history, every one of these newsgroups had a code of > conduct. You don't seem to grasp the point. There is a local admin for YOUR newsserver. That means he or she is responsible for thousands of newsgroups. Obviously, said admin is not reading each newsgroup to watch for complaints. You can try to contact this person and see if you could get the message deleted from your server, but what would that do? It will still be on thousands of other servers around the world. Very likely your request will be ignored. Do you realize how many spam messages in total are posted each day to usenet? Your ISP would have to have a team of admins doing nothing else all day but issuing cancels. Frankly, most ISPs don't give a rat's ass about usenet. Even here at Boeing, it can be a real struggle for our IT people to get our provider to address service problems with the usenet feed, and we're a big customer. Complaints about misbehaving posters are useless directed at your admin. You need to find where the spam came from and try to complain there. That may work, may not, especially if the spam came in from an unsecured NNTP server. The funny (well not in funny as in amusing) is that much of the spam IS clobbered before it gets to you by the cancelbots. That's why you frequently see the spam look something like: Hey here's spam 39949 The number makes each post subject unique and squeaks past the cancelbots, which look for massive postings of the same subject. A few years ago, the shadowy guys behind the scenes shut off the cancelbots for a period of time just to let people know what the real situation would be. Horrible is the word. Using a few smart killfile entries can get rid of much of the rest of spam. Brian Rodenborn

"Brad Kunkel" <bkunkel@ibisoftwaredropthis.com> wrote in message news:CCvkc.21$2L4.8338@news.uswest.net... > "Captain Pedantic" <theharlequin36@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:c6rino$f8p8p$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > You've really grasped the senescence of this internet thingy, haven't you > > Brad? > > Perhaps the United States government should be policing it ....? > > > > Unfortunately Captain, that time is coming if individuals do not take a > stand. I agree. If "the internet" can't regulate itself, I'd like the US government to be the arbiter of what is right and wrong and on my behalf please.

"Default User" <first.last@boeing.com.invalid> wrote in message news:40929DE2.409CE44A@boeing.com.invalid... > > You don't seem to grasp the point. There is a local admin for YOUR > newsserver. That means he or she is responsible for thousands of > newsgroups. Obviously, said admin is not reading each newsgroup to watch > for complaints. > Offhand, I'd say they should use spam-filters for blatant obscenity but, then again, I could do that too. I get your point that Usenet is distributed. What I guess I don't get is why it's not organized; not a central authority but a code of ethics. If Usenet ever becomes mainstream, governments will likely get involved and screw it up. Regards, Brad Kunkel Integrated Business, Inc.

"Captain Pedantic" <theharlequin36@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c6uhfm$gbp8m$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de... > I agree. If "the internet" can't regulate itself, I'd like the US > government to be the arbiter of what is right and wrong and on my behalf > please. > > good thinkin...

Brad Kunkel wrote: > "Captain Pedantic" <theharlequin36@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:c6uhfm$gbp8m$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de... >> I agree. If "the internet" can't regulate itself, I'd like the US >> government to be the arbiter of what is right and wrong and on my behalf >> please. >> >> > good thinkin... Yes, I am agreeing with you both that US goverment is best to tell us all what to do. -- Enor

Brad Kunkel wrote: > Offhand, I'd say they should use spam-filters for blatant obscenity but, > then again, I could do that too. I get your point that Usenet is > distributed. What I guess I don't get is why it's not organized; not a > central authority but a code of ethics. If Usenet ever becomes mainstream, > governments will likely get involved and screw it up. There is a code of ethics, but it's notoriously hard to enforce such a code. The main ways are taking action against those who misbehave. For individual posters that requires that they have an ISP that cares what they do and will take action. For rogue ISPs, you can read up on the Usenet Death Penalty. Usenet won't become mainstream, or at any rate more mainstream than it is. Web-based forums, Yahoo groups, blogs, chatrooms, etc. all provide enough alternate communication channels to keep usenet pretty much under the radar. The one that might kill it would be binary sharing. The best really is to use the filters. Brian Rodenborn

sorry for the x-post! On Sun, 02 May 2004 00:43:22 +0100, in comp.database.oracle, Enor Mouspenis <enormouspenis@hotmail.com> scribbled: >Brad Kunkel wrote: > >> "Captain Pedantic" <theharlequin36@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:c6uhfm$gbp8m$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de... >>> I agree. If "the internet" can't regulate itself, I'd like the US >>> government to be the arbiter of what is right and wrong and on my behalf >>> please. >>> >>> >> good thinkin... > >Yes, I am agreeing with you both that US goverment is best to tell us all >what to do. my irony meter is now broken. -- Teresa Redmond Programmer/Analyst III Anteon Corporation tredmond at anteon dot com