Is IBM actually doing something with IDS?
Mostly a discussion thread, not a problem report: a poster links articles suggesting IBM is finally promoting IDS, and Art Kagel confirms IBM's focus on OLTP, 'integration'/embedded use, and DataBlades. The technical sub-thread concerns the free IIUG developer edition: one poster complains about a timebomb and a 'crippled' build. Answers clarify there is no timebomb in the IIUG IDS 10.00 release (nor planned for 11.10), but it is licensed for education only, limited to 5 concurrent sessions, with no HDR and ER as leaf only; a full-featured copy requires buying from IBM or negotiating a special evaluation licence. An unrelated question about zero-downtime migration via level 0/level 1 backups was posted into the thread but received no answer.
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Nice to see partners getting their hands on it. Now it would be even nicer to have a version without a timebomb. -t- Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > http://www.crn.com/software/199601744 > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2133290,00.asp > > Or am I just an optimist? >
On May 29, 10:06 am, Tool <t...@thetool.com> wrote: > Nice to see partners getting their hands on it. > > Now it would be even nicer to have a version without a > timebomb. There's no timebomb in the IIUG release of IDS 10.00 and there won't be one in the final IIUG release of IDS 11.10 either. Art S. Kagel > -t- > > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >http://www.crn.com/software/199601744 > > >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2133290,00.asp > > > Or am I just an optimist?
On May 29, 3:47 am, "Obnoxio The Clown" <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > http://www.crn.com/software/199601744 > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2133290,00.asp > > Or am I just an optimist? <SNIP> cc: from Informix-forum IBM has finally 'gotten it' about IDS. They're still not sure what to do with it, but from my discussions with those in positions to guide such decisions they are willing to push where ever they can find a possible niche for IDS to fill. Current efforts are centered around: OLTP - vis IBM's new mantra that IDS is the 'Premier Data Server for online transaction processing' providing 'blazing online processing capabilities'. Integration - New wording to replace 'embedded' to which we all objected. Pushing IDS as the engine of choice for developing turnkey systems both internally and for productization. This is both a push for internal corporate development projects and a return to Informix's roots in the 3rd party software market. Efforts to recover and support existing and former 3rd party suppliers like SAP, PeopleSoft, etc. are also being increased (though this last needs customer backing as well). Datablades - IBM is realizing the potential marketing and development power of the existing datablades (the new free text and geographic blades, the node blade, timeseries, etc.) and as a feature for customers to use to improve their own projects. Art S. Kagel
art.kagel@gmail.com wrote: > Datablades - IBM is realizing the potential marketing and development > power of the existing datablades (the new free text and geographic > blades, the node blade, timeseries, etc.) and as a feature for > customers to use to improve their own projects. And to back this up a man from IBM came around today to talk to us about this very thing this morning. With this, the Cheetah event in at Hursley next week and last year's (or was it 2005's) user group in Warwick there does seem to be a lot more going on than there was in the past. Regards, Ben.
We have a need to migrate the database from a running Production server on to a Pre Production machine which will eventually replace the Production Machine. This is a Transaction Processing system so we want the migration to happen without any downtime. We plan to take level "0" back from the Old box , restore to the new box and then apply the delta using scripts( Unload /load) to bring the data in sync. Is there a way by which after we have taken a level "0" backup , we can then take another backup of whatever changed after level "0" and apply that to database using some informix utility.I am not sure if a Level "1" will do the job as while the Level "1" is being restored we will have a down time. NSV
Yeah but it's a crippled release, isn't replication turned off? Or some other gotcha that makes it crippled. I want the real deal, and no timebomb, not some watered down version that isn't production ready. art.kagel@gmail.com wrote: > On May 29, 10:06 am, Tool <t...@thetool.com> wrote: >> Nice to see partners getting their hands on it. >> >> Now it would be even nicer to have a version without a >> timebomb. > > There's no timebomb in the IIUG release of IDS 10.00 and there won't > be one in the final IIUG release of IDS 11.10 either. > > Art S. Kagel > >> -t- >> >> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>> http://www.crn.com/software/199601744 >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2133290,00.asp >>> Or am I just an optimist? > >
So you would like a free full featured version of IDS with no time bomb to install in your production environments? How does IBM get their cut? Would you purchase support or bring in some of their consultants? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tool" <tool@thetool.com> Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix To: <informix-list@iiug.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Is IBM actually doing something with IDS? > Yeah but it's a crippled release, isn't replication turned > off? Or some other gotcha that makes it crippled. I want > the real deal, and no timebomb, not some watered down > version that isn't production ready. > > art.kagel@gmail.com wrote: >> On May 29, 10:06 am, Tool <t...@thetool.com> wrote: >>> Nice to see partners getting their hands on it. >>> >>> Now it would be even nicer to have a version without a >>> timebomb. >> >> There's no timebomb in the IIUG release of IDS 10.00 and there won't >> be one in the final IIUG release of IDS 11.10 either. >> >> Art S. Kagel >> >>> -t- >>> >>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>>> http://www.crn.com/software/199601744 >>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2133290,00.asp >>>> Or am I just an optimist? >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>Yeah but it's a crippled release, isn't replication turned >off? Or some other gotcha that makes it crippled. I want >the real deal, and no timebomb, not some watered down >version that isn't production ready. Does that mean DB2 (until recently) and other RDBMSs that did not have replication were crippled? I think the point of the IIUG free engine is to educate yourself and experiment with the best engine available. I can understand wanting to experiment with HDR and that dead-sexy ER, but if it were free, how would IBMers feed their children? The free basic engine is the bait....so bite.
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 11:18 -0700, Tool wrote: > Yeah but it's a crippled release, isn't replication turned > off? Or some other gotcha that makes it crippled. I want > the real deal, and no timebomb, not some watered down > version that isn't production ready. You can get the real deal. Just ask your friendly IBM salesperson and give them some money. The IIUG version has the following restrictions: 1) Educational purposes only. 2) Up to 5 concurrent sessions. 3) No HADR, ER only as leaf. If you have a business opportunity that needs a feasibility study that can't be done under those restrictions, try asking IBM if they can provide you with a differently licensed evaluation copy. If it makes business sense, they might just do it. Simply giving away a "real deal, production ready" database engine for free won't make any business sense to IBM. Regards, -- Carsten Haese http://informixdb.sourceforge.net