Re: For fans of GUI tools

Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Personally, I've got no idea about this shit, because dbaccess and onstat > is all I ever want or need. But if you like pretty pictures and > clicky-clicky, you might like this: > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/im/datastudiodev/ > > I'd rather get stuff done, but hey! what do I know? It's not like I'm > developing a multi-billion dollar business strategy to conquer the world! > > :o) > > I started looking at it until I saw: "Use Data Studio Developer to: ...Provide a seamless Eclipse-based SQL/Java experience" ...and I ran screaming from the room. Having tried the much-touted (and it's all gone rather quiet on that front now hasn't it?) 4gl-to-java converter addon for data studio I am firmly of the opinion that there is NOTHING seamless about ANYTHING eclipse-based, especially when you include SQL and java in the equation. And anything that uses corporate buzzwords like 'experience' when it's talking about a programming environment needs seriously to be redrafted. IMHO.

malc_p wrote: > > > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Personally, I've got no idea about this shit, because dbaccess and onstat >> is all I ever want or need. But if you like pretty pictures and >> clicky-clicky, you might like this: >> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/im/datastudiodev/ >> >> I'd rather get stuff done, but hey! what do I know? It's not like I'm >> developing a multi-billion dollar business strategy to conquer the world! >> >> :o) >> >> > I started looking at it until I saw: > > "Use Data Studio Developer to: > ...Provide a seamless Eclipse-based SQL/Java experience" > > ...and I ran screaming from the room. > > Having tried the much-touted (and it's all gone rather quiet on that > front now hasn't it?) 4gl-to-java converter addon for data studio I am > firmly of the opinion that there is NOTHING seamless about ANYTHING > eclipse-based, especially when you include SQL and java in the equation. > And anything that uses corporate buzzwords like 'experience' when it's > talking about a programming environment needs seriously to be redrafted. > IMHO. > > 4GL to Java Converter for DataStudio? Do you have a document/URL for that? Thanks and regards, -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Fernando Nunes wrote: > > > 4GL to Java Converter for DataStudio? Do you have a document/URL for that? > Thanks and regards, > > Because it was a couple of years back, I 'misremembered' a little - it's the Websphere Studio /Rational Application Developer suite 4GL to EGL utility (which builds a java app using Eclipse); http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v6r0m1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.etools.4gl.mig.doc/topics/teglinf0001.html I found it was a horrible, unwieldy, slow and impenetrable process to convert a 4gl form input program consisting of one 4gl source file and one 4gl form. YMMV. Regards Malc

> > > 4GL to Java Converter for DataStudio? Do you have a document/URL for that? > > Thanks and regards, I was getting excited .... > Because it was a couple of years back, I 'misremembered' a little - it's the Websphere Studio /Rational Application Developer suite 4GL to EGL utility (which builds a java app using Eclipse);http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v6r0m1/index.jsp?top... Oh, EGL, even if works well, I am not going from the vendor lock in of 4GL to the vendor lock in of EGL / WebSphere.

malc_p wrote: > > > Fernando Nunes wrote: >> >> >> 4GL to Java Converter for DataStudio? Do you have a document/URL for >> that? >> Thanks and regards, >> >> > Because it was a couple of years back, I 'misremembered' a little - it's > the Websphere Studio /Rational Application Developer suite 4GL to EGL > utility (which builds a java app using Eclipse); > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v6r0m1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.etools.4gl.mig.doc/topics/teglinf0001.html > > > I found it was a horrible, unwieldy, slow and impenetrable process to > convert a 4gl form input program consisting of one 4gl source file and > one 4gl form. YMMV. > > Regards > > Malc > Ok... That one I know :) You should have taken some free online training with Jonathan Sayles about EGL... You may get another idea: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/offers/techbriefings/details/rbdtws.html I've seen a customer give up on this but they had several issues: - They weren't prepared to move from an "in your face" 4GL to an "in app server" type of environemt - They wanted to continue development in 4GL and use EGL conversion as a "compile step" - They didn't understand that a developer workstation for a 3 tier environment requires a bit more resources than what is required to run a SSH client ;) Not saying it's perfect, but I think the adoption was lower than what it deserved. Of course that I understand that if people want to move away from 4GL they possibly want to go directly to Java and not to another "esoteric" language. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...