Informix on HP MoonShot
Not a problem report but an announcement/discussion: Art Kagel touted Informix as the only commercial RDBMS running on HP's new ARM-based Moonshot micro-servers, sketching large HDR/SDS cluster configurations. Richard Kofler asked for an official statement, since press coverage was vague; Fernando Nunes pointed to HP's press release and noted an ARM 32-bit port on IBM Fix Central, questioning whether it runs on 64-bit ARM. Art assumed ARMv8 is fully backward compatible, but IBM developer Andreas Breitfeld corrected this: Debian ARMv7 binaries won't execute on ARMv8, which is why a native 64-bit Informix port was made. The rest covered core counts per m400 cartridge/chassis and licensing/PVU speculation.
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When HP announced its new ARM32 and ARM64 based Moonshot micro-server yesterday there was only one commercial database that already supported the platform: IBM Informix. Today there still is only one. Imagine running your relational or JSON collection database on a server built into a single rack with 90 Informix High Availability Data Replication pairs of servers each with 4 cores (360 pairs of cores essentially) with your data sharded across all 90 MoonShot CPU modules into a massive distributed database server. Or how about 180 Shared Disk Secondary Servers each with 4 cores (so 720 cores) configured as a massive single Cluster serving a single database on disk all in one cabinet with 35% lower power and cooling requirements than traditional servers. Either way, IBM Informix's Connection Manager can manage load balancing many thousands of simultaneous users across all of the server modules in either of these database server farms, manage connection and server failover if one or more components fail, and all without losing a single in-flight transaction (Informix transaction survival feature)! The NoSQL folks say that relational databases do not scale out, BULLSHIT. IBM Informix scales up and out all at the same time with full redundancy to boot! Keep in mind that IBM's Informix Dynamic Server is the ONLY RDBMS built from the ground up to run efficiently on SMP, MPP, and distributed architectures. The visionary work that Informix Corp. did in the early 1990's is proving its worth over 20 years later! Art Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant ASK Database Management Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. --001a1136127e65d3da05044708f3
[ German text in the first link ] About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: There is an article on Heise (heise.de): http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html Heise writes: ... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten werden. ... This translates into ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as statement. There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? dic_k
Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP own words: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's FixCentral site. The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I don't know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. Regards On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER <richard.kofler@chello.at> wrote: > [ German text in the first link ] > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html > > Heise writes: > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten werden. > ... > > This translates into > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as statement. > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > dic_k > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5
Fernando: ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software according to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) web sights. That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? Art Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant ASK Database Management Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP own > words: > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > FixCentral site. > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I don't > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > Regards > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER <richard.kofler@chello.at> > wrote: > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html > > > > Heise writes: > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten werden. > > ... > > > > This translates into > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as statement. > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8
To all: FYI, I just found out that the M400 module for the MoonShot sports an Applied Micro X-Gene 64bit ARM processor which has 8 cores, not 4 as I originally thought. So not 720 cores per server farm, but 1,440 processor cores! I don't even want to THINK about what the IDS license cost for that beast would cost even it would be rated at 50 PVU/core (IBM has not yet published its PVU ratings for the ARM processors), but if you need the scaleability and raw horsepower, <expletive deleted> this is the dragon to ride! Art Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant ASK Database Management Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > Fernando: > > ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software according > to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) web > sights. > > That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? > > Art > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > ASK Database Management > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP own > > words: > > > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > > FixCentral site. > > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I > don't > > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > > > Regards > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER < > richard.kofler@chello.at> > > wrote: > > > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html > > > > > > Heise writes: > > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten > werden. > > > ... > > > > > > This translates into > > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as statement. > > > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fernando Nunes > > Portugal > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --001a11340f12ceaae20504483bf1
I don't think this is very relevant, but from what I read m400 allows 45 cartridges. Each has 8 cores. You're counting 90 instead of 45... And I'm not sure if one can fill the m400 just with these types of cartridges or if we have to include others like power supplies and networking switches. In any case it would be a lot of CPUs. Point is, how slow they are compared to more usual inhabitants of the datacenter... Regards. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > To all: > > FYI, I just found out that the M400 module for the MoonShot sports an > Applied Micro X-Gene 64bit ARM processor which has 8 cores, not 4 as I > originally thought. So not 720 cores per server farm, but 1,440 processor > cores! I don't even want to THINK about what the IDS license cost for that > beast would cost even it would be rated at 50 PVU/core (IBM has not yet > published its PVU ratings for the ARM processors), but if you need the > scaleability and raw horsepower, <expletive deleted> this is the dragon to > ride! > > Art > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > ASK Database Management > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Fernando: > > > > ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software > according > > to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) web > > sights. > > > > That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > > ASK Database Management > > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I > am > > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP > own > > > words: > > > > > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > > > > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > > > FixCentral site. > > > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I > > don't > > > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER < > > richard.kofler@chello.at> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html > > > > > > > > Heise writes: > > > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten > > werden. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > This translates into > > > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as > statement. > > > > > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fernando Nunes > > > Portugal > > > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8 > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --001a11340f12ceaae20504483bf1 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --20cf303636db921354050448b4f0
Hi Art, On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 03:11:34 pm Art Kagel wrote: > Fernando: > > ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software according > to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) web > sights. In practice a binary compiled with Debian on ARMv7 architecture (ARM32) can not be executed on ARMv8 (ARM64). Thats one reason why we made a native Informix port for this new platform. Thanks, Andreas > > That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? > > Art > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > ASK Database Management > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP own > > words: > > > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > > FixCentral site. > > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I don't > > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > > > Regards > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER <richard.kofler@chello.at> > > wrote: > > > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit- ARM-SoC-2405160.html > > > > > > Heise writes: > > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten werden. > > > ... > > > > > > This translates into > > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as statement. > > > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fernando Nunes > > Portugal > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Andreas Breitfeld; Informix Development Munich IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH; Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: Martina Koederitz; Geschaeftsfuehrung: Dirk Wittkopp; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Boeblingen; Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294
Counting 90 because you can put 4 units in a rack each holding 45 m400 modules. With two units holdint primary servers and two holdinh HDR secondaries that's 90 HDR pairs per rack. Art On Sep 30, 2014 9:54 AM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think this is very relevant, but from what I read m400 allows 45 > cartridges. Each has 8 cores. You're counting 90 instead of 45... > And I'm not sure if one can fill the m400 just with these types of > cartridges or if we have to include others like power supplies and > networking switches. > > In any case it would be a lot of CPUs. Point is, how slow they are compared > to more usual inhabitants of the datacenter... > > Regards. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > To all: > > > > FYI, I just found out that the M400 module for the MoonShot sports an > > Applied Micro X-Gene 64bit ARM processor which has 8 cores, not 4 as I > > originally thought. So not 720 cores per server farm, but 1,440 processor > > cores! I don't even want to THINK about what the IDS license cost for > that > > beast would cost even it would be rated at 50 PVU/core (IBM has not yet > > published its PVU ratings for the ARM processors), but if you need the > > scaleability and raw horsepower, <expletive deleted> this is the dragon > to > > ride! > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > > ASK Database Management > > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I > am > > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Fernando: > > > > > > ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software > > according > > > to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) > web > > > sights. > > > > > > That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? > > > > > > Art > > > > > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > > > ASK Database Management > > > > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own > opinions > > > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I > > am > > > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > > > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > > > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP > > own > > > > words: > > > > > > > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > > > > > > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > > > > FixCentral site. > > > > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I > > > don't > > > > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER < > > > richard.kofler@chello.at> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > > > > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > > > > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html > > > > > > > > > > Heise writes: > > > > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten > > > werden. > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > This translates into > > > > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > > > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as > > statement. > > > > > > > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > > > > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > > > > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fernando Nunes > > > > Portugal > > > > > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > > > > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --001a11340f12ceaae20504483bf1 > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --20cf303636db921354050448b4f0 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --001a11c3783e1af42d050449a9ca
Each umit holds four power supplies two multi-connection networking modules and 45 m400 ARM, m800 ARM, or intel modules. Art On Sep 30, 2014 9:54 AM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think this is very relevant, but from what I read m400 allows 45 > cartridges. Each has 8 cores. You're counting 90 instead of 45... > And I'm not sure if one can fill the m400 just with these types of > cartridges or if we have to include others like power supplies and > networking switches. > > In any case it would be a lot of CPUs. Point is, how slow they are compared > to more usual inhabitants of the datacenter... > > Regards. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > To all: > > > > FYI, I just found out that the M400 module for the MoonShot sports an > > Applied Micro X-Gene 64bit ARM processor which has 8 cores, not 4 as I > > originally thought. So not 720 cores per server farm, but 1,440 processor > > cores! I don't even want to THINK about what the IDS license cost for > that > > beast would cost even it would be rated at 50 PVU/core (IBM has not yet > > published its PVU ratings for the ARM processors), but if you need the > > scaleability and raw horsepower, <expletive deleted> this is the dragon > to > > ride! > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > > ASK Database Management > > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I > am > > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Fernando: > > > > > > ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software > > according > > > to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) > web > > > sights. > > > > > > That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? > > > > > > Art > > > > > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > > > ASK Database Management > > > > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own > opinions > > > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I > > am > > > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > > > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > > > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP > > own > > > > words: > > > > > > > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > > > > > > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > > > > FixCentral site. > > > > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I > > > don't > > > > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER < > > > richard.kofler@chello.at> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > > > > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > > > > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit-AR M-SoC-2405160.html > > > > > > > > > > Heise writes: > > > > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten > > > werden. > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > This translates into > > > > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > > > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as > > statement. > > > > > > > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > > > > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > > > > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fernando Nunes > > > > Portugal > > > > > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > > > > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --001a11340f12ceaae20504483bf1 > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --20cf303636db921354050448b4f0 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --089e0149338ccff152050449ae92
So much for advertised capabilities. Art On Sep 30, 2014 10:31 AM, "Andreas Breitfeld" <abreitfe@de.ibm.com> wrote: > Hi Art, > > On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 03:11:34 pm Art Kagel wrote: > > Fernando: > > > > ARM 64bit processors are 100% compatible with ARM 32bit software > according > > to the ARM and AM (the only current producer of 64bit ARM processors) web > > sights. > In practice a binary compiled with Debian on ARMv7 architecture (ARM32) can > not > be executed on ARMv8 (ARM64). Thats one reason why we made a native > Informix > port for this new platform. > > Thanks, > Andreas > > > > > That said, a 64bit port would be nice. Maybe for 12.10.FC5? > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel, President and Principal Consultant > > ASK Database Management > > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I > am > > associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do > > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any > > entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Naturally IBM/IIUG should make a statement... But I hope you trust HP > own > > > words: > > > > > > http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=1800094 > > > > > > And you can actually download the port for ARM 32 bits from IBM's > > > FixCentral site. > > > The announced servers have both 32bit and 64bit versions. Honestly I > don't > > > know if the 32bit port runs on the 64bit systems. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM, RICHARD KOFLER < > richard.kofler@chello.at> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > [ German text in the first link ] > > > > > > > > About the HP Proliant m400 (and other) Moonshot servers: > > > > > > > > There is an article on Heise (heise.de): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/HP-verkauft-Moonshot-Server-mit-64-Bit- > ARM-SoC-2405160.html > > > > > > > > Heise writes: > > > > .... Doch es soll wohl auch IBM Informix als Datenbank angeboten > werden. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > This translates into > > > > ' that as a database IBM INFORMIX might be offered ' - > > > > BUT this is written in subjunctive form, it doesn't count as > statement. > > > > > > > > There is also an article about the Moonshots on theregister.co.uk: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/hp_takes_another_crack_at_arm_servers_wi th_moonshot_rollout/ > > > > > > > > but INFORMIX is not mentioned there. > > > > > > > > Maybe IBM or the IIUG has a statement for the press ...? > > > > > > > > dic_k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Fernando Nunes > > > Portugal > > > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > > > --089e013c6614f6348f050447e0a5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --001a11c3c47ee980800504481ec8 > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > -- > Andreas Breitfeld; Informix Development Munich > IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH; Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: > Martina Koederitz; Geschaeftsfuehrung: Dirk Wittkopp; Sitz der > Gesellschaft: > Boeblingen; Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --001a11c3783e6a8eb3050449b791