IDS 10 installation files

Hi. I'm looking for IDS10 installation file. I know that previously itwas available in Member Area. Any idea hot to get it right now? Cheers

Informix 10.00 is out of support, so you cannot get it any longer. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:09 AM, PIOTR GINALSKI <piotr.ginalski@iquate.com>wrote: > Hi. I'm looking for IDS10 installation file. I know that previously itwas > available in Member Area. Any idea hot to get it right now? Cheers > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --bcaec51a758e4e0ea404c59158c7

Hi Art. Yes, I know that it's out of support. I'm working for a company which creates software and hardware inventory tools and I need to add support for IBM Informix. I've already multiple versions of 11.X in our lab but I need to get 10.X. I thought that maybe IIUG users can provide me ISO image or something. Cheers

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:10 PM, PIOTR GINALSKI <piotr.ginalski@iquate.com>wrote: > Hi Art. Yes, I know that it's out of support. I'm working for a company > which > creates software and hardware inventory tools and I need to add support for > IBM Informix. I've already multiple versions of 11.X in our lab but I need > to > get 10.X. I thought that maybe IIUG users can provide me ISO image or > something. Cheers > > I'm sorry to insist on this point, but if you're making a new port, and 10 is out of support, why do you need it? Any new use of V10 is a shot in the feet, and apparently that's your (or better saying your final customers) situation. If you have a specific customer requesting V10 I'd suggest you try to understand why, and maybe work with IBM to show them why not. Regards and good luck in your porting work. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --20cf30334ebb5a8c2f04c5918d25

Hi Fernando. I need to support 10.X because our customers still use it in some legacy setups. It's not my job to suggest them upgrading to 11.X, I need to provide them possibility to track the instances and make inventory. We provide support for many "out of support" software technologies such as Oracle 7 and 8 or Microsoft Windows NT, so why not IDS 10.X? Cheers

But that would be in violation of their software licenses and since it is out-of-support, you cannot get it from IBM either. Similarly, IBM asked IIUG to remove the 10.00 developer's edition download when support for it ended. That's my point. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:10 AM, PIOTR GINALSKI <piotr.ginalski@iquate.com>wrote: > Hi Art. Yes, I know that it's out of support. I'm working for a company > which > creates software and hardware inventory tools and I need to add support for > IBM Informix. I've already multiple versions of 11.X in our lab but I need > to > get 10.X. I thought that maybe IIUG users can provide me ISO image or > something. Cheers > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --bcaec52999b90dab7d04c591ac2d

Hi Art. OK, I see your point. Still that's a little bit strange for me, but thanks anyway.

Art, I think we are missing his point... The tools tracks the installed software... And the customers are free to use the version 10 for as long as they want as long as they bough it and they're not exceeding the usage they bought. So, if I understood correctly, the OP want to have IDS 10 installed so that his tool can "discover" it. It's not that the tool uses Informix.... That how I understood it after last email. And if that is the case, rest assured, the customers can use V10 for as long as they want... The licenses are perpetual... Naturally they will not have support, or will have limited support through additional fee. In this particular case, I personally wouldn't see a problem if IBM provided V10 to the OP. But I believe that would need to be handled by the partner organization. Regards On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > But that would be in violation of their software licenses and since it is > out-of-support, you cannot get it from IBM either. Similarly, IBM asked > IIUG to remove the 10.00 developer's edition download when support for it > ended. That's my point. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:10 AM, PIOTR GINALSKI > <piotr.ginalski@iquate.com>wrote: > > > Hi Art. Yes, I know that it's out of support. I'm working for a company > > which > > creates software and hardware inventory tools and I need to add support > for > > IBM Informix. I've already multiple versions of 11.X in our lab but I > need > > to > > get 10.X. I thought that maybe IIUG users can provide me ISO image or > > something. Cheers > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --bcaec52999b90dab7d04c591ac2d > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --20cf3005dcb2ac511a04c591e58c

Fernando, I didn't say that users who are licensed on 10.00 cannot continue to use their software. AFAIK the license is perpetual as you indicate. What I said was that a licensed users cannot provide the installation package to the OP for his organization to user for testing that their product can work with Informix v10.00. That would be in violation of their license IB. Certainly if IBM wants to provide the OP with a copy of 10.00 for their use in this way it is free to do so, whether for free or for a fee. That's their choice, and as you say the OP's company would have to work with the partner and OEM teams to get that. Perhaps someone should alert Gary Proctor to follow up if he feels there is an opportunity here. My point that he cannot get it from the IIUG or from a customer stands, though. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com>wrote: > Art, I think we are missing his point... > The tools tracks the installed software... And the customers are free to > use the version 10 for as long as they want as long as they bough it and > they're not exceeding the usage they bought. > So, if I understood correctly, the OP want to have IDS 10 installed so that > his tool can "discover" it. It's not that the tool uses Informix.... > > That how I understood it after last email. > And if that is the case, rest assured, the customers can use V10 for as > long as they want... The licenses are perpetual... > Naturally they will not have support, or will have limited support through > additional fee. > > In this particular case, I personally wouldn't see a problem if IBM > provided V10 to the OP. But I believe that would need to be handled by the > partner organization. > > Regards > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > But that would be in violation of their software licenses and since it is > > out-of-support, you cannot get it from IBM either. Similarly, IBM asked > > IIUG to remove the 10.00 developer's edition download when support for it > > ended. That's my point. > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel > > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated > nor > > those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:10 AM, PIOTR GINALSKI > > <piotr.ginalski@iquate.com>wrote: > > > > > Hi Art. Yes, I know that it's out of support. I'm working for a company > > > which > > > creates software and hardware inventory tools and I need to add support > > for > > > IBM Informix. I've already multiple versions of 11.X in our lab but I > > need > > > to > > > get 10.X. I thought that maybe IIUG users can provide me ISO image or > > > something. Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --bcaec52999b90dab7d04c591ac2d > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --20cf3005dcb2ac511a04c591e58c > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --bcaec5186a16748f3b04c59297cf

Sure. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > Fernando, > > I didn't say that users who are licensed on 10.00 cannot continue to use > their software. AFAIK the license is perpetual as you indicate. What I > said was that a licensed users cannot provide the installation package to > the OP for his organization to user for testing that their product can work > with Informix v10.00. That would be in violation of their license IB. > > Certainly if IBM wants to provide the OP with a copy of 10.00 for their use > in this way it is free to do so, whether for free or for a fee. That's > their choice, and as you say the OP's company would have to work with the > partner and OEM teams to get that. Perhaps someone should alert Gary > Proctor to follow up if he feels there is an opportunity here. My point > that he cannot get it from the IIUG or from a customer stands, though. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Art, I think we are missing his point... > > The tools tracks the installed software... And the customers are free to > > use the version 10 for as long as they want as long as they bough it and > > they're not exceeding the usage they bought. > > So, if I understood correctly, the OP want to have IDS 10 installed so > that > > his tool can "discover" it. It's not that the tool uses Informix.... > > > > That how I understood it after last email. > > And if that is the case, rest assured, the customers can use V10 for as > > long as they want... The licenses are perpetual... > > Naturally they will not have support, or will have limited support > through > > additional fee. > > > > In this particular case, I personally wouldn't see a problem if IBM > > provided V10 to the OP. But I believe that would need to be handled by > the > > partner organization. > > > > Regards > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > But that would be in violation of their software licenses and since it > is > > > out-of-support, you cannot get it from IBM either. Similarly, IBM asked > > > IIUG to remove the 10.00 developer's edition download when support for > it > > > ended. That's my point. > > > > > > Art > > > > > > Art S. Kagel > > > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own > opinions > > > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor > any > > > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > > > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > > > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated > > nor > > > those of the entities themselves. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:10 AM, PIOTR GINALSKI > > > <piotr.ginalski@iquate.com>wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Art. Yes, I know that it's out of support. I'm working for a > company > > > > which > > > > creates software and hardware inventory tools and I need to add > support > > > for > > > > IBM Informix. I've already multiple versions of 11.X in our lab but I > > > need > > > > to > > > > get 10.X. I thought that maybe IIUG users can provide me ISO image or > > > > something. Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --bcaec52999b90dab7d04c591ac2d > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fernando Nunes > > Portugal > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > --20cf3005dcb2ac511a04c591e58c > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --bcaec5186a16748f3b04c59297cf > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --00248c6a66d6333f8204c5935a65

Your circumstances are exactly what I'm referring to in posts which I recently placed in this forum! Users should be given the option of upgrading to the next supported version from the one they're currently on and not be obligated to upgrade to the latest version!

He is free to upgrade to 11.10, 11.50, 11.70, or wait for 12.10. But since this was obviously an eval I assumed that the OP is looking to test the latest. Should I have assumed he was illegally using a time limited evaluation copy in production? Art Sent from my Galaxy S®III"FRANK J. COMPUTER" <frank_in_pr@hotmail.com> wrote:Your circumstances are exactly what I'm referring to in posts which I recently placed in this forum! Users should be given the option of upgrading to the next supported version from the one they're currently on and not be obligated to upgrade to the latest version! ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.

There's concern about how long each version will be supported and what should constitute a new version, revision or fix. Just because new features are added shouldn't mean that a new version has to be released and older versions will no longer be supported. It's like the "Feature Creep" syndrome where for example, every time Apple adds a new iPhone feature, they want you to buy a new phone. Users should enjoy a minimum of 5 years support, or more, for any particular product they've purchased. A lot of effort and money goes into stabilizing a system without having to worry about loosing support. Upgrades can be expensive, something always seems to break when upgrading!

IBM's official position as it was described to me, is that they will provide full support any major release for five years from the first release date and at least one year after the product is no longer available for purchase. As of now, you can purchase extended support for "unsupported" versions which includes down system support and access to existing fixpacks that you may not have installed. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM, FRANK J. COMPUTER <frank_in_pr@hotmail.com>wrote: > There's concern about how long each version will be supported and what > should > constitute a new version, revision or fix. Just because new features are > added > shouldn't mean that a new version has to be released and older versions > will > no longer be supported. It's like the "Feature Creep" syndrome where for > example, every time Apple adds a new iPhone feature, they want you to buy a > new phone. Users should enjoy a minimum of 5 years support, or more, for > any > particular product they've purchased. A lot of effort and money goes into > stabilizing a system without having to worry about loosing support. > Upgrades > can be expensive, something always seems to break when upgrading! > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340cad55c83b04c5bfee58

And certain "unsupported" version have limited support (no new bug fixes) if you have active maintenance On Jul 26, 2012 7:41 PM, "Art Kagel" <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > IBM's official position as it was described to me, is that they will > provide full support any major release for five years from the first > release date and at least one year after the product is no longer available > for purchase. As of now, you can purchase extended support for > "unsupported" versions which includes down system support and access to > existing fixpacks that you may not have installed. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM, FRANK J. COMPUTER > <frank_in_pr@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > There's concern about how long each version will be supported and what > > should > > constitute a new version, revision or fix. Just because new features are > > added > > shouldn't mean that a new version has to be released and older versions > > will > > no longer be supported. It's like the "Feature Creep" syndrome where for > > example, every time Apple adds a new iPhone feature, they want you to > buy a > > new phone. Users should enjoy a minimum of 5 years support, or more, for > > any > > particular product they've purchased. A lot of effort and money goes into > > stabilizing a system without having to worry about loosing support. > > Upgrades > > can be expensive, something always seems to break when upgrading! > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340cad55c83b04c5bfee58 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --00248c6a673214f46104c5c0097b

Greetings! Just to clarify - Informix has a 5+3 support model. It is 5 years of regular support from release date before the product goes end of life followed by 3 years of extended support which offers full fledged defect support. Informix (Only) also has an offering called Continuing support that runs through Sep 2013 that offers non defect support for 3 specific code lines - 7.31, 9.4 and 10 that are EOS. Details can be found over here - http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21439094 If anyone has any questions on the support options, please feel free to ping me directly. Regards! Pradeep Kutty Sr. Manager -WW Informix,Warehouse and Analytics Support IBM Information Management Support Office: 913-599-7131 | Cell:913-653-1940 Email: pkutty@us.ibm.com IBM is moving to Electronic Entry of Service Requests Learn about IBM Electronic Support Open a Service Request online From: "Art Kagel" <art.kagel@gmail.com> To: ids@iiug.org, Date: 07/26/2012 01:44 PM Subject: Re: IDS 10 installation files [27845] Sent by: ids-bounces@iiug.org IBM's official position as it was described to me, is that they will provide full support any major release for five years from the first release date and at least one year after the product is no longer available for purchase. As of now, you can purchase extended support for "unsupported" versions which includes down system support and access to existing fixpacks that you may not have installed. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM, FRANK J. COMPUTER <frank_in_pr@hotmail.com>wrote: > There's concern about how long each version will be supported and what > should > constitute a new version, revision or fix. Just because new features are > added > shouldn't mean that a new version has to be released and older versions > will > no longer be supported. It's like the "Feature Creep" syndrome where for > example, every time Apple adds a new iPhone feature, they want you to buy a > new phone. Users should enjoy a minimum of 5 years support, or more, for > any > particular product they've purchased. A lot of effort and money goes into > stabilizing a system without having to worry about loosing support. > Upgrades > can be expensive, something always seems to break when upgrading! > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340cad55c83b04c5bfee58 ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.

Thanks Pradeep. It's always good to get the full picture from the source. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Pradeep Kutty <pkutty@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Greetings! > > Just to clarify - Informix has a 5+3 support model. It is 5 years > of regular support from release date before the product goes end of life > followed by 3 years of extended support which offers full fledged defect > support. Informix (Only) also has an offering called Continuing support > that runs through Sep 2013 that offers non defect support for 3 specific > code lines - 7.31, 9.4 and 10 that are EOS. > > Details can be found over here - > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21439094 > > If anyone has any questions on the support options, please feel free to > ping me directly. > > Regards! > > Pradeep Kutty > Sr. Manager -WW Informix,Warehouse and Analytics Support > IBM Information Management Support > Office: 913-599-7131 | Cell:913-653-1940 > Email: pkutty@us.ibm.com > > IBM is moving to Electronic Entry of Service Requests > Learn about IBM Electronic Support > Open a Service Request online > > From: "Art Kagel" <art.kagel@gmail.com> > To: ids@iiug.org, > Date: 07/26/2012 01:44 PM > Subject: Re: IDS 10 installation files [27845] > Sent by: ids-bounces@iiug.org > > IBM's official position as it was described to me, is that they will > provide full support any major release for five years from the first > release date and at least one year after the product is no longer > available > for purchase. As of now, you can purchase extended support for > "unsupported" versions which includes down system support and access to > existing fixpacks that you may not have installed. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated > nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM, FRANK J. COMPUTER > <frank_in_pr@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > There's concern about how long each version will be supported and what > > should > > constitute a new version, revision or fix. Just because new features are > > > added > > shouldn't mean that a new version has to be released and older versions > > will > > no longer be supported. It's like the "Feature Creep" syndrome where for > > > example, every time Apple adds a new iPhone feature, they want you to > buy a > > new phone. Users should enjoy a minimum of 5 years support, or more, for > > > any > > particular product they've purchased. A lot of effort and money goes > into > > stabilizing a system without having to worry about loosing support. > > Upgrades > > can be expensive, something always seems to break when upgrading! > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340cad55c83b04c5bfee58 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --bcaec5186da0561d0804c5c11bfb