Re: Oracle Express

14informix@gmail.com wrote: > On Nov 11, 1:53 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> LOL... >> >> Daniel, >> >> If you can use a stripped down version of Oracle or DB2, then you can use Postgress to handle the job. >> >> You're just blowing smoke. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:50:12 -0800 >>> From: damor...@psoug.org >>> Subject: Re: Oracle Express >>> To: informix-l...@iiug.org >>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>>> On Nov 10, 4:29 am, "David Reed" <David.R...@tollink.co.za> wrote: >>>>> Oracle Express >>>> [SNIP] >>>>> A colleague has told me that he is sure that Informix have a "similar" >>>>> type of product. Can someone please clarify for me? >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> David Reed >>>> Why? >>>> Total boneheaded management. >>>> If you're looking to go "free" meaning no need to spend money on >>>> support, go with PostgresSQL which is released under BSD licensing. >>> Sorry Ian but that's nonsense. PostgreSQL does not provide the vast >>> majority of capabilities available in Oracle Express including its >>> seamless compatibility with enterprise programs. >>> You can mourn the loss of an Informix customer but don't point the >>> user to a road that provides a path to nowhere. >>> -- >>> Daniel A. Morgan >>> University of Washington >>> damor...@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Informix-list mailing list >>> Informix-l...@iiug.org >>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Livehttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > Once again. > The person posting (ORIGINAL) is asking for direction NOT PERSONAL > VENDETTA. > > Neil wants to make a deal and the rest is too happy to take Gumbo > apart - for good reason perhaps > Is there anyone that can help!? I doubt it. Not in this group without > $USD ... > He clearly said - - - (between the lines, that cost is a problem) > ------------------------------------------------- > If we conform to a few rules/limitations like: 4Gig database limit; > 1Gig > RAM; Only 1 CPU; single database a computer, etc. We don't need to > buy > any licensing fees. > ------------------------------------------------- > BUT and MARK Townsend will correct me shortly, as will OTC. I am sure > that with ORACLE (or IBM / MS, etc ) no matter what you use, when you > do put it in a PRODUCTION ENV YOU HAVE TO PAY LICNSE FEES. > Cheapest? MySQL? It depends if you buy support. I believe that both Oracle and DB2 have completely gratis ultra-low-end solutions. Perhaps, if the original poster (and everyone else in this newsgroup) was to moan at IBM for offering free DB2 but no free Informix in this space, something would happen. So, nothing's gonna happen. :o) -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

On 11 Nov, 19:14, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > 14infor...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Nov 11, 1:53 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> LOL... > > >> Daniel, > > >> If you can use a stripped down version of Oracle or DB2, then you can use Postgress to handle the job. > > >> You're just blowing smoke. > > >>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:50:12 -0800 > >>> From: damor...@psoug.org > >>> Subject: Re: Oracle Express > >>> To: informix-l...@iiug.org > >>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > >>>> On Nov 10, 4:29 am, "David Reed" <David.R...@tollink.co.za> wrote: > >>>>> Oracle Express > >>>> [SNIP] > >>>>> A colleague has told me that he is sure that Informix have a "similar" > >>>>> type of product. Can someone please clarify for me? > >>>>> Kind Regards > >>>>> David Reed > >>>> Why? > >>>> Total boneheaded management. > >>>> If you're looking to go "free" meaning no need to spend money on > >>>> support, go with PostgresSQL which is released under BSD licensing. > >>> Sorry Ian but that's nonsense. PostgreSQL does not provide the vast > >>> majority of capabilities available in Oracle Express including its > >>> seamless compatibility with enterprise programs. > >>> You can mourn the loss of an Informix customer but don't point the > >>> user to a road that provides a path to nowhere. > >>> -- > >>> Daniel A. Morgan > >>> University of Washington > >>> damor...@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Informix-list mailing list > >>> Informix-l...@iiug.org > >>>http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Livehttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/-Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Once again. > > The person posting (ORIGINAL) is asking for direction NOT PERSONAL > > VENDETTA. > > > Neil wants to make a deal and the rest is too happy to take Gumbo > > apart - for good reason perhaps > > Is there anyone that can help!? I doubt it. Not in this group without > > $USD ... > > He clearly said  - - - (between the lines, that cost is a problem) > > ------------------------------------------------- > > If we conform to a few rules/limitations like: 4Gig database limit; > > 1Gig > > RAM; Only 1 CPU; single database a computer, etc. We don't need to > > buy > > any licensing fees. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > BUT and MARK Townsend will correct me shortly, as will OTC.  I am sure > > that with ORACLE (or IBM / MS, etc ) no matter what you use, when you > > do put it in a PRODUCTION ENV YOU HAVE TO PAY LICNSE FEES. > > Cheapest? MySQL? > > It depends if you buy support. I believe that both Oracle and DB2 have > completely gratis ultra-low-end solutions. Perhaps, if the original > poster (and everyone else in this newsgroup) was to moan at IBM for > offering free DB2 but no free Informix in this space, something would > happen. > > So, nothing's gonna happen. :o) > > -- > Cheers, > Obnoxio The Clown > > http://obotheclown.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'll go beat Jerry Keesee up about it at the IBM event this week...in the nicest way of course!

david@smooth1.co.uk wrote: > On 11 Nov, 19:14, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: >> 14infor...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Nov 11, 1:53 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> LOL... >>>> Daniel, >>>> If you can use a stripped down version of Oracle or DB2, then you can use Postgress to handle the job. >>>> You're just blowing smoke. >>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:50:12 -0800 >>>>> From: damor...@psoug.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Oracle Express >>>>> To: informix-l...@iiug.org >>>>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>>>>> On Nov 10, 4:29 am, "David Reed" <David.R...@tollink.co.za> wrote: >>>>>>> Oracle Express >>>>>> [SNIP] >>>>>>> A colleague has told me that he is sure that Informix have a "similar" >>>>>>> type of product. Can someone please clarify for me? >>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>> David Reed >>>>>> Why? >>>>>> Total boneheaded management. >>>>>> If you're looking to go "free" meaning no need to spend money on >>>>>> support, go with PostgresSQL which is released under BSD licensing. >>>>> Sorry Ian but that's nonsense. PostgreSQL does not provide the vast >>>>> majority of capabilities available in Oracle Express including its >>>>> seamless compatibility with enterprise programs. >>>>> You can mourn the loss of an Informix customer but don't point the >>>>> user to a road that provides a path to nowhere. >>>>> -- >>>>> Daniel A. Morgan >>>>> University of Washington >>>>> damor...@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Informix-list mailing list >>>>> Informix-l...@iiug.org >>>>> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Livehttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/-Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Once again. >>> The person posting (ORIGINAL) is asking for direction NOT PERSONAL >>> VENDETTA. >>> Neil wants to make a deal and the rest is too happy to take Gumbo >>> apart - for good reason perhaps >>> Is there anyone that can help!? I doubt it. Not in this group without >>> $USD ... >>> He clearly said - - - (between the lines, that cost is a problem) >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> If we conform to a few rules/limitations like: 4Gig database limit; >>> 1Gig >>> RAM; Only 1 CPU; single database a computer, etc. We don't need to >>> buy >>> any licensing fees. >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> BUT and MARK Townsend will correct me shortly, as will OTC. I am sure >>> that with ORACLE (or IBM / MS, etc ) no matter what you use, when you >>> do put it in a PRODUCTION ENV YOU HAVE TO PAY LICNSE FEES. >>> Cheapest? MySQL? >> It depends if you buy support. I believe that both Oracle and DB2 have >> completely gratis ultra-low-end solutions. Perhaps, if the original >> poster (and everyone else in this newsgroup) was to moan at IBM for >> offering free DB2 but no free Informix in this space, something would >> happen. >> >> So, nothing's gonna happen. :o) >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Obnoxio The Clown >> >> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I'll go beat Jerry Keesee up about it at the IBM event this week...in > the nicest way of course! I should also, for completeness, point out that SQL Server also has a completely free (unsupported) offering in this space. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

On Nov 11, 2:26 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" <da...@smooth1.co.uk> wrote: > On 11 Nov, 19:14, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > > > > > 14infor...@gmail.com wrote: [SNIP] > > > Once again. > > > The person posting (ORIGINAL) is asking for direction NOT PERSONAL > > > VENDETTA. > > > > Neil wants to make a deal and the rest is too happy to take Gumbo > > > apart - for good reason perhaps > > > Is there anyone that can help!? I doubt it. Not in this group without > > > $USD ... [SNIP] > > It depends if you buy support. I believe that both Oracle and DB2 have > > completely gratis ultra-low-end solutions. Perhaps, if the original > > poster (and everyone else in this newsgroup) was to moan at IBM for > > offering free DB2 but no free Informix in this space, something would > > happen. > > > So, nothing's gonna happen. :o) > [SNIP] > > I'll go beat Jerry Keesee up about it at the IBM event this week...in > the nicest way of course! Sigh. Ok, lets clean up some confusion. First, it looks like the sock puppets get dumber as they morph. The OP is in ZA as in SOUTH AFRICA. No $USD there, just the Rand. So its no wonder that they want to control costs. Second, there are no licensing costs or restrictions outside of those imposed by BSD licensing, which are a moot point for the sake of this discussion. (The OP wanted this for an internal production environment.) Note that there are companies like Greenplum ( http://www.greenplum.com/ ) that sell a licensed and supported version of Postgres. Note: Greenplum has done a lot of work on improving the base code. So much that they're marketing their version as a shared nothing DW system like XPS once was.... Of course you have to pay for their product. However for the basic Postgres you don't need to use them or others. Just download the source and build it from scratch. This solution removes the license costs and any restrictions/ limitations that are imposed on a "freebie" version of a commercial product. Third save your breath about trying to get a stripped down version of IDS. Its not going to happen and this is not necessarily a bad thing. (You really need to sit down and think about this and it will all make sense.) Another option. Cloudscape/Derby/JavaDB. Yeah its java and it uses the file system (cooked) for storage. But hey! There are people who have 20+GB databases built in production, so already you've outstripped the limitations placed on the "free" version of Oracle. (4GB? bah!) The larger point raised is that with anything, you have the cost of conversion and the inherent risk(s) of using non-supported software. It could be that employee costs are already sunk costs... But hey! What do I know? Its not like I've looked at this issue before... ;-) -G

On Nov 11, 2:26 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" <da...@smooth1.co.uk> wrote: > On 11 Nov, 19:14, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > > > > > 14infor...@gmail.com wrote: [SNIP] > > > Once again. > > > The person posting (ORIGINAL) is asking for direction NOT PERSONAL > > > VENDETTA. > > > > Neil wants to make a deal and the rest is too happy to take Gumbo > > > apart - for good reason perhaps > > > Is there anyone that can help!? I doubt it. Not in this group without > > > $USD ... [SNIP] > > It depends if you buy support. I believe that both Oracle and DB2 have > > completely gratis ultra-low-end solutions. Perhaps, if the original > > poster (and everyone else in this newsgroup) was to moan at IBM for > > offering free DB2 but no free Informix in this space, something would > > happen. > > > So, nothing's gonna happen. :o) > [SNIP] > > I'll go beat Jerry Keesee up about it at the IBM event this week...in > the nicest way of course! Sigh. Ok, lets clean up some confusion. First, it looks like the sock puppets get dumber as they morph. The OP is in ZA as in SOUTH AFRICA. No $USD there, just the Rand. So its no wonder that they want to control costs. Second, there are no licensing costs or restrictions outside of those imposed by BSD licensing, which are a moot point for the sake of this discussion. (The OP wanted this for an internal production environment.) Note that there are companies like Greenplum ( http://www.greenplum.com/ ) that sell a licensed and supported version of Postgres. Note: Greenplum has done a lot of work on improving the base code. So much that they're marketing their version as a shared nothing DW system like XPS once was.... Of course you have to pay for their product. However for the basic Postgres you don't need to use them or others. Just download the source and build it from scratch. This solution removes the license costs and any restrictions/ limitations that are imposed on a "freebie" version of a commercial product. Third save your breath about trying to get a stripped down version of IDS. Its not going to happen and this is not necessarily a bad thing. (You really need to sit down and think about this and it will all make sense.) Another option. Cloudscape/Derby/JavaDB. Yeah its java and it uses the file system (cooked) for storage. But hey! There are people who have 20+GB databases built in production, so already you've outstripped the limitations placed on the "free" version of Oracle. (4GB? bah!) The larger point raised is that with anything, you have the cost of conversion and the inherent risk(s) of using non-supported software. It could be that employee costs are already sunk costs... But hey! What do I know? Its not like I've looked at this issue before... ;-) -G