Omniback/back-up managers
Someone asked for the standard arguments in favour of using a backup manager (HP OmniBack) for UNIX filesystem and Informix backups instead of manually tracking tape cycles, after outsourcing led to more tape errors. Much of the thread is an off-topic exchange about the word "friends"; another poster asked whether OmniBack is stable/capable versus Legato or Veritas, and got no reply. A late post did answer the original question, listing benefits (central catalogue of what was backed up, GUI status with error messages, scheduled/automated backup and restore, database-integrated backups, vendor updates, standardisation across admins) plus drawbacks (needs a management server, large catalogue database, extra licence costs for drives and database integration, painful upgrades).
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Friends My client has recently outsourced its IS operations, and we're experiencing an increase in the number of tape cock-ups. For this and other reasons I wish to propose using HP-Omniback for UNIX and Informix backups. can anyone please provide a list of the classic benefits of using a back-up manager over manual recoding of tape cycles? thanks Neil
"Neil Truby" <ntruby@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message news:8rh9fs$hje$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk... > Friends Do your friends include "girls"? Just in case a "girl" want to answer your question. No title, no rank, no location, not old enough to retire, just: Wynne
Are you referring back to my post concerning the job where you needed an interest in sport? Was my irony a little too well-hidden? Tell me, Wynne, you're not by any chance American, are you?! Impy <wlinden@stritch.edu> wrote in message news:8ri2v1$hpl8h$1@ID-51564.news.cis.dfn.de... > > "Neil Truby" <ntruby@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8rh9fs$hje$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk... > > Friends > Do your friends include "girls"? Just in case a "girl" want to answer your > question. > > No title, no rank, no location, not old enough to retire, just: > Wynne > > > >
In article <8rim46$n5j$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk>, "Neil Truby" <ntruby@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote: > Are you referring back to my post concerning the job where you needed an > interest in sport? > Was my irony a little too well-hidden? No, you're irony wasn't hidden at all. I got it completely. Did you get mine? > Tell me, Wynne, you're not by any chance American, are you?! Your point is...? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
> No, you're irony wasn't hidden at all. I got it completely. Did you get > [my irony]? No. I'm impervious to it. > > Tell me, Wynne, you're not by any chance American, are you?! > > Your point is...? Haven't got one. I've clearly been out-ironied!
In article <8ripr3$pb2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Impy <wyn441@my-deja.com> writes >In article <8rim46$n5j$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk>, > "Neil Truby" <ntruby@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote: >> Are you referring back to my post concerning the job where you needed >an >> interest in sport? >> Was my irony a little too well-hidden? >No, you're irony wasn't hidden at all. I got it completely. Did you get >mine? > >> Tell me, Wynne, you're not by any chance American, are you?! > >Your point is...? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. I hate to be a pain, but my company is also looking at Omniback as it's a lot cheaper than either Legato or Veritas. I would love to hear if it can do the job (i.e can backup Informix DBMS and Unix filesystems), performs and is stable/well supported . I've looked at Legato but didn't like it for the following reasons: 1. It wanted to stream all the backups to multiple files on a tape (prefably one in a tape silo/jukebox), whereas my I want to cut a backup tape for immediate offsite location just in case the IRA reform; 2. Very expensive to employ "storage nodes" to backup locally (to alleviate network stress, not all of us have Gigabit Cicso switches/routers), whereas Omniback has support in-built to backup to any and manage number of local tape drives; 3. Legato (and I think Veritas) have to clone copies after the main backup, which is more routines/something else to check. On the mainframe, we used to be able to cut two copies of a tape at the same time (using FDR/ABR) and create a stand-alone bootable tape of the OS boot disk. Hope I haven't offended anyone and look forward to hearing some good news! Hallelujah, that'll do ya. TTFN -- Simon Barber
Once you are managing more than say 5 machines, you need someting to help you keep track of things. Classic benefits? Well let's see. How about: Everything you backed up is recorded in the Omni database, error messages from the backup session and all. Did last night's backups work? Its all on one gui screen, colour coded and all. Backups and resrores can be automated according to a calendar. Database integrated backups and restores. Product is updated by the supplier. As databases are upgraded, so is Omniback. Cuts down maintenance. When you have more than one looking after your systems, standardisaton becomes important. Having everyone know how things are done. Don't forget the costs: It needs a management server. If the server is down, the backups don't run unless you have a standby. You need more than just the product. Its database gets BIG, but disk space is cheap they keep telling me. Wonder why they won't buy any but. Watch the licencing. If you want to do someting extra, it usually costs. Integrated database backups for instance. Add a tape drive and it costs. HP recently changed the rules, which means we pay more of course. Upgrades are a bear. You virtually need to install on another server and cut your client machines over. Neil Truby <ntruby@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message news:8rh9fs$hje$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk... > Friends > > My client has recently outsourced its IS operations, and we're experiencing > an increase in the number of tape cock-ups. For this and other reasons I > wish to propose using HP-Omniback for UNIX and Informix backups. can anyone > please provide a list of the classic benefits of using a back-up manager > over manual recoding of tape cycles? > > thanks > Neil > >