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Re: Problems With ESQLC on HP/UX 10.20

Posted in 2000

Topics: Connectivity: ESQL/C, 4GL & Embedded SQL, Server Administration

Mark D. Stock — — source: Informix-list mailing list archive (1991-1998)

Tim Schaefer wrote: > > See also http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ > > Whether or not "you" understand the benefits of HTML and browsers, > apparently a lot of other people do. What?! I was talking about the sudden surge of DBA (that's Database Administration) tools, but it's also SA (That's Systems Administration) tools as well from the H/W vendors. They've all gone HTML mad! My point was that I have not met a DBA or SA who has requested, wanted or are likely to use such tools. I was presuming you might be one, as you were so vehemently opposed to ISA when it first came out and are now singing it's praises. So I assume there has been a revelation? > And not just for the sake of arguing. Well that never stopped you in the past. ;-) Cheers, -- Mark. +----------------------------------------------------------+-----------+ | Mark D. Stock mailto:mdstock@mydas.freeserve.co.uk |//////// /| | http://www.informix.com http://www.informixhandbook.com |///// / //| | http://www.iiug.org +-----------------------------------+//// / ///| | |What year 2000 bug? year 2000 bug? |/// / ////| | |year 2000 bug? year 2000 bug? year |// / /////| | |2000 bug? year 2000 bug? year 1900 |/ ////////| +----------------------+-----------------------------------+-----------+

↪ replying to Mark D. Stock
Tim Schaefer — — source: Informix-list mailing list archive (1991-1998)

Mark, A correction: I was not opposed to ISA, merely the Apache and Perl distributions that were included with it. It is still not a comfortable premise, but for a quick and dirty install of these two components, ISA makes it possible to have a web server running on a machine. It is still not the most optimal situation, in my not so humble opinion. Apache and Perl should be installed separately, then ISA. The premise does have some merit, but I would defer towards a separate install of apache and perl. ISA in its own right is a usable tool. The latest release is a good tool, the only problems I have with it are the aesthetics and screen operation. It is disruptive to refresh the whole page for each and every operation performed, I would think there were better ways. For example, trek over to http://www.ibm.com and price a laptop. The values change nicely without a traumatic disruption of the screen. I'll assume ibm.com is using javascript, for the paranoid you could use frames instead of javascript. The other problem with ISA is in the menu layout and actual value to many of the screens. There appears to be a lot of beauty to the screen, but not a lot of information that is actually useful. Perhaps a more optimal use of the page would allow less paging and screen refreshing. ISA appears to be an extension of onstat, where much of the information is of absolutely no value to the average user. As to arguing for the sake of arguing, you remain king of the hill on that one. I'm sure you'll have the last word on that, purely for the sake of arguing a point to ad infinitum. Thanks, Tim "Mark D. Stock" wrote: > > Tim Schaefer wrote: > > > > See also http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ > > > > Whether or not "you" understand the benefits of HTML and browsers, > > apparently a lot of other people do. > > What?! I was talking about the sudden surge of DBA (that's Database > Administration) tools, but it's also SA (That's Systems Administration) > tools as well from the H/W vendors. They've all gone HTML mad! > > My point was that I have not met a DBA or SA who has requested, wanted > or are likely to use such tools. I was presuming you might be one, as > you were so vehemently opposed to ISA when it first came out and are now > singing it's praises. So I assume there has been a revelation? > > > And not just for the sake of arguing. > > Well that never stopped you in the past. ;-) > > Cheers, > -- > Mark. > > +----------------------------------------------------------+-----------+ > | Mark D. Stock mailto:mdstock@mydas.freeserve.co.uk |//////// /| > | http://www.informix.com http://www.informixhandbook.com |///// / //| > | http://www.iiug.org +-----------------------------------+//// / ///| > | |What year 2000 bug? year 2000 bug? |/// / ////| > | |year 2000 bug? year 2000 bug? year |// / /////| > | |2000 bug? year 2000 bug? year 1900 |/ ////////| > +----------------------+-----------------------------------+-----------+ -- . .- .-- .--- .---- Tim Schaefer .----- tschaefe@bellsouth.net .---- http://www.inxutil.com .--- .-- .- .

↪ replying to Mark D. Stock
Tim Schaefer — — source: Informix-list mailing list archive (1991-1998)

Mark, A correction: I was not opposed to ISA, merely the Apache and Perl distributions that were included with it. It is still not a comfortable premise, but for a quick and dirty install of these two components, ISA makes it possible to have a web server running on a machine. It is still not the most optimal situation, in my not so humble opinion. Apache and Perl should be installed separately, then ISA. The premise does have some merit, but I would defer towards a separate install of apache and perl. ISA in its own right is a usable tool. The latest release is a good tool, the only problems I have with it are the aesthetics and screen operation. It is disruptive to refresh the whole page for each and every operation performed, I would think there were better ways. For example, trek over to http://www.ibm.com and price a laptop. The values change nicely without a traumatic disruption of the screen. I'll assume ibm.com is using javascript, for the paranoid you could use frames instead of javascript. The other problem with ISA is in the menu layout and actual value to many of the screens. There appears to be a lot of beauty to the screen, but not a lot of information that is actually useful. Perhaps a more optimal use of the page would allow less paging and screen refreshing. ISA appears to be an extension of onstat, where much of the information is of absolutely no value to the average user. As to arguing for the sake of arguing, you remain king of the hill on that one. I'm sure you'll have the last word on that, purely for the sake of arguing a point to ad infinitum. Thanks, Tim "Mark D. Stock" wrote: > > Tim Schaefer wrote: > > > > See also http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ > > > > Whether or not "you" understand the benefits of HTML and browsers, > > apparently a lot of other people do. > > What?! I was talking about the sudden surge of DBA (that's Database > Administration) tools, but it's also SA (That's Systems Administration) > tools as well from the H/W vendors. They've all gone HTML mad! > > My point was that I have not met a DBA or SA who has requested, wanted > or are likely to use such tools. I was presuming you might be one, as > you were so vehemently opposed to ISA when it first came out and are now > singing it's praises. So I assume there has been a revelation? > > > And not just for the sake of arguing. > > Well that never stopped you in the past. ;-) > > Cheers, > -- > Mark. > > +----------------------------------------------------------+-----------+ > | Mark D. Stock mailto:mdstock@mydas.freeserve.co.uk |//////// /| > | http://www.informix.com http://www.informixhandbook.com |///// / //| > | http://www.iiug.org +-----------------------------------+//// / ///| > | |What year 2000 bug? year 2000 bug? |/// / ////| > | |year 2000 bug? year 2000 bug? year |// / /////| > | |2000 bug? year 2000 bug? year 1900 |/ ////////| > +----------------------+-----------------------------------+-----------+ -- . .- .-- .--- .---- Tim Schaefer .----- tschaefe@bellsouth.net .---- http://www.inxutil.com .--- .-- .- .

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