Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken
Users reported that the download links for the free Informix Innovator-C edition (11.70UC5IE) on IBM's site were dead for weeks. Art Kagel and Fernando Nunes confirmed IBM/IIUG were aware, said it was not merely a broken link but a product issue, and pointed people to an IBM contact (Anita McKeithen); the Developer Edition was suggested as an interim option. Marcus Haarmann later relayed via his distributor that IBM was building a component to enforce the edition's resource restrictions, with an estimated two-week fix. No confirmation of the links actually being restored appears in the thread, which drifts into debate over free databases and the history of project Arrowhead.
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Hi all, Innovator-C still not available (looking for 11.70UC5IE). All links lead to a dead end. Anybody in charge for the website ? Marcus ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- Von: "Art Kagel" <art.kagel@gmail.com> An: ids@iiug.org Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2012 15:43:27 Betreff: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [26971] I notified IBM yesterday. Should be fixed soon. Art On May 4, 2012 9:07 AM, "VICENTE SALVADOR" <vsalvador@deister.es> wrote: > Trying to download Informix Innovator-C from > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/im/informix/index.html > > or > > > > https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=swg-ifxnce&S_CM P=rnav > > from: > > http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/informix/innovator-c-edition/ > > Both links doesn't works. Has changed IBM anything about Innovator-C > downloading? How can I get Informix Innovator-C version? > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340c01a7e83904bf361aec ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
There is currently an issue with this. At this moment I cannot give you an ETA for the resolution of this situation, but I can direct you to Anita McKeithen (mckeithe at us.ibm.com) who can eventually provide further help. Regards. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Marcus Haarmann <marcus.haarmann@midoco.de>wrote: > Hi all, > > Innovator-C still not available (looking for 11.70UC5IE). All links lead > to a > dead end. > Anybody in charge for the website ? > > Marcus > > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > > Von: "Art Kagel" <art.kagel@gmail.com> > An: ids@iiug.org > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2012 15:43:27 > Betreff: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [26971] > > I notified IBM yesterday. Should be fixed soon. > > Art > On May 4, 2012 9:07 AM, "VICENTE SALVADOR" <vsalvador@deister.es> wrote: > > > Trying to download Informix Innovator-C from > > > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/im/informix/index.html > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=swg-ifxnce&S_CM P=rnav > > > > from: > > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/informix/innovator-c-edition/ > > > > Both links doesn't works. Has changed IBM anything about Innovator-C > > downloading? How can I get Informix Innovator-C version? > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340c01a7e83904bf361aec > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --002354790f5c97ffc804c1571fa7
Marcus, et al: I am trying again to get IBM to fix this. Notified everyone who's anyone over there (no insult intended to anyone I haven't bugged yet ;-). Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Marcus Haarmann <marcus.haarmann@midoco.de > wrote: > Hi all, > > Innovator-C still not available (looking for 11.70UC5IE). All links lead > to a > dead end. > Anybody in charge for the website ? > > Marcus > > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > > Von: "Art Kagel" <art.kagel@gmail.com> > An: ids@iiug.org > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2012 15:43:27 > Betreff: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [26971] > > I notified IBM yesterday. Should be fixed soon. > > Art > On May 4, 2012 9:07 AM, "VICENTE SALVADOR" <vsalvador@deister.es> wrote: > > > Trying to download Informix Innovator-C from > > > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/im/informix/index.html > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=swg-ifxnce&S_CM P=rnav > > > > from: > > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/informix/innovator-c-edition/ > > > > Both links doesn't works. Has changed IBM anything about Innovator-C > > downloading? How can I get Informix Innovator-C version? > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340c01a7e83904bf361aec > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340a99e406f304c1594e6b
Hi The problem is still there, anyone can help? Cheers Ali
The IIUG and IBM are working on it. It's getting attention all the way up and down IBM Information Management. There are issues beyond just the dead link that are being dealt with that are holding up a resolution, but it is getting attention and a resolution will happen. I just can't say when yet. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM, ALI SHAHNAZI <ali@datasync.com.au> wrote: > Hi > > The problem is still there, anyone can help? > > Cheers > Ali > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340e1bc3dd1904c1c44294
This seems like a scam to me. Perhaps they had it free at one time but the only link I found was a "buy support" for innovator-c free edition. So you buy the support, then get the "free" edition. Tried to chat online with a sales rep and told them link not working, they said to call technical support. tried that and they said support for free and trials is limited and only available online. sent email, no response. notice how the developer edition does work but the so called free doesn't now. better to stick with a real free db like mysql/mariadb or postgres, all of which are plenty fast enough for lighter work loads. and myisam is still quite fast when used properly
Welcome to the wonderful world of a big company. Nevertheless, this is no scam. As already explained in this thread there is an issue with the free version. I totally agree that it's taking too long to solve and I think a proper message should have been put in the linked page. If currently your need is just for development, please use the developer edition. If you need this for production, please contact the person I already mentioned in this thread and explain the situation to her. Thanks for your understanding. Regards On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, HUGH JORGAN <hjorgan1010@yahoo.com> wrote: > This seems like a scam to me. Perhaps they had it free at one time but the > only link I found was a "buy support" for innovator-c free edition. So you > buy > the support, then get the "free" edition. Tried to chat online with a sales > rep and told them link not working, they said to call technical support. > tried > that and they said support for free and trials is limited and only > available > online. sent email, no response. notice how the developer edition does work > but the so called free doesn't now. better to stick with a real free db > like > mysql/mariadb or postgres, all of which are plenty fast enough for lighter > work loads. and myisam is still quite fast when used properly > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --00248c711805211b3f04c1e487f9
I wasnt even aware it was having issues that long apparently weeks and weeks? even more likely that it's a gimmick or by design to get people to pay for support for the "free edition" what are the chance if I click on this "IBM Elite Support for Informix Innovator-C Edition Per Install, Unlimited Contacts SW Support 12 Months (D0D4ILL)" and add to cart, I will then be available to download the free innovator-c edition? Per the website: * Products acquired online will be available via download If I add to cart and try to download is the link STILL not going to work? I would hope not. That would be bad business indeed. The product is the same no? Whether support is bought or not is irrelevant, same product, same download. It takes weeks/months to fix a download link? I dont think so.. No reason to use the developer edition--you cant use it in prod. which is what the whole evalution was all about
Yep, you figured us out, Hugh. Congrats. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:40 PM, HUGH JORGAN <hjorgan1010@yahoo.com> wrote: > I wasnt even aware it was having issues that long apparently weeks and weeks? > even more likely that it's a gimmick or by design to get people to pay for > support for the "free edition" > what are the chance if I click on this "IBM Elite Support for Informix > Innovator-C Edition Per Install, Unlimited Contacts SW Support 12 Months > (D0D4ILL)" and add to cart, I will then be available to download the free > innovator-c edition? > Per the website: > * Products acquired online will be available via download > > If I add to cart and try to download is the link STILL not going to work? I > would hope not. That would be bad business indeed. > The product is the same no? Whether support is bought or not is irrelevant, > same product, same download. It takes weeks/months to fix a download link? I > dont think so.. No reason to use the developer edition--you cant use it in > prod. which is what the whole evalution was all about > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
eh i dont think its worth to argue about. they should open source it and make it easily available to evaluate or simply not bother trying to compete with other free solution like mysql
Ignore Hugh. He's obviously just a troll. Comparing Informix, any edition, to MySQL is like comparing a lumber mill to a handsaw. Sure the latter gets the job done for small jobs, and yes, the former is not cheap, but whoa, what a difference! Until the Innovator-C download is cleared up you can still evaluate the Developer edition for free. Downloads are easy from the IIUG web site. Art On Jun 7, 2012 5:36 PM, "HUGH JORGAN" <hjorgan1010@yahoo.com> wrote: > eh i dont think its worth to argue about. they should open source it and > make > it easily available to evaluate or simply not bother trying to compete with > other free solution like mysql > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --047d7b15aa5544379704c1e8f876
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:40 PM, HUGH JORGAN <hjorgan1010@yahoo.com> wrote: > I wasnt even aware it was having issues that long apparently weeks and > weeks? > even more likely that it's a gimmick or by design to get people to pay for > support for the "free edition" > If you're replying to a thread, it's easy to notice the problem has been happening for several time. what are the chance if I click on this "IBM Elite Support for Informix > Innovator-C Edition Per Install, Unlimited Contacts SW Support 12 Months > (D0D4ILL)" and add to cart, I will then be available to download the free > innovator-c edition? > Per the website: > * Products acquired online will be available via download > The support is the support. You don't "download it". You're just making speculations. You can believe whatever you want... Or try it... > If I add to cart and try to download is the link STILL not going to work? I > would hope not. That would be bad business indeed. > The product is the same no? Whether support is bought or not is irrelevant, > same product, same download. It takes weeks/months to fix a download link? > I > Again, it was already explained it's not a broken link. It's a problem with the product itself. > dont think so.. No reason to use the developer edition--you cant use it in > prod. which is what the whole evalution was all about > You can, as already explained, try to contact the person in question and try to reach a temporary solution. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --20cf3074b152e8d8bc04c1ebb500
On 08/06/2012 02:13, Fernando Nunes wrote: > Again, it was already explained it's not a broken link. It's a problem > with the product itself. All I can see regarding what you have said is Art's (from 06/06/2012): "There are issues beyond just the dead link that are being dealt with that are holding up a resolution". I think it's clear that this situation is a little unsettling to those of us who are not "in the know". Where I work, we're currently building a future, mission-critical, strategy for one product based around Innovator-C and this could blow it out of the water, especially if management get windy about it. If we could be given a clue as to what the "issue beyond the dead link" is, and a statement - from IBM - as to what IBM are doing as regards resolving the issue and that there is no intention of withdrawing the product we'd appreciate it. As it is, there is some unhealthy speculation that it is to be withdrawn, and that needs to be stomped on ASAP and with authority. My 2c. Malc
On 08/06/2012 11:08, Fernando Nunes wrote: > Please contact Anita McKeithen Yup, I've done that "officially" via company email. > What I have is "internal" information, that in no way leads to the > idea that the product would be removed. But I totally understand > people's concerns and as such I'd prefer you contact Anita to get a > more formal statement from IBM. > Understood and appreciated. > Having said this, I don't recall ever seeing a software provider > making any statement about future product directions unless these > cover only short term periods. I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the medium term... > > But as you put it, these are also my 2c :). > > ...and thanks!
Hi all, I have contacted out distrbutor and they checked with IBM. The statement we got is in short: They are developing a special part which enforces the restrictions. Estimated time frame: 2 weeks. Marcus ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- Von: "malc_p" <iiug@perrior.net> An: ids@iiug.org Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Juni 2012 12:56:53 Betreff: Fwd: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [27323] On 08/06/2012 11:08, Fernando Nunes wrote: > Please contact Anita McKeithen Yup, I've done that "officially" via company email. > What I have is "internal" information, that in no way leads to the > idea that the product would be removed. But I totally understand > people's concerns and as such I'd prefer you contact Anita to get a > more formal statement from IBM. > Understood and appreciated. > Having said this, I don't recall ever seeing a software provider > making any statement about future product directions unless these > cover only short term periods. I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the medium term... > > But as you put it, these are also my 2c :). > > ....and thanks! ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
On 08/06/2012 14:21, Marcus Haarmann wrote: > Hi all, > > I have contacted out distrbutor and they checked with IBM. > The statement we got is in short: > They are developing a special part which enforces the restrictions. > Estimated time frame: 2 weeks. > I guessed that the sudden pulling of the product may have been because of something like this!
It appears that the loud mouth trolls have caused IBM to rethink the restrictions. This will likely dilute the product for everyone. You will probably find your apps running out of locks or memory or buffers or some other problem when the IBM programmers get finished with the patches for C5. Thanks a bunch you whiners. I guess we are stuck with C4 now. -----Original Message----- From: malc_p Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:47 AM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Fwd: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [27325] On 08/06/2012 14:21, Marcus Haarmann wrote: > Hi all, > > I have contacted out distrbutor and they checked with IBM. > The statement we got is in short: > They are developing a special part which enforces the restrictions. > Estimated time frame: 2 weeks. >
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > medium term... > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was an Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM did was kill Arrowhead. -- Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to be amused." --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04
There was word floating around of a short-lived idea to merge XPS with DB2, but I don't think that it ever got to the point of a real project. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler < jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > > > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > > medium term... > > > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was an > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM did > was kill Arrowhead. > > -- > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to be > amused." > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340cad5580bc04c1f7635f
IBM took the original idea and added DB2 to the mix. Where the mis-remembering is happening with the original poster is not a "code-share" but feature integration/reimplementation, which is a big difference. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > >> I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 >> would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the >> medium term... >> > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was an > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM did > was kill Arrowhead. > > -- > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to be > amused." > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
I recall it as: Arrowhead was pre-IBM, it was merging 7&8&Illustra, 7&Illustra became 9, = IBM purchased before 8 got merged, then decided that XPS was a = competitor to DB2PE and went into a support-only mode for the product. j. On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chuck Renaud wrote: > IBM took the original idea and added DB2 to the mix. Where the=20 > mis-remembering is happening with the original poster is not a=20 > "code-share" but feature integration/reimplementation, which is a big=20= > difference.=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler=20 > <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote:=20 >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote:=20 >>=20 >>> I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2=20= >>> would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the=20= >>> medium term...=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead = was an=20 >> Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things = IBM did=20 >> was kill Arrowhead.=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h>=20= >> Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org=20 >> "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease = to be=20 >> amused."=20 >>=20 >> --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >>=20 >=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >=20
I vote for Jonathan... And there is some irony in the way time changes things (if you don't understand what I mean you should check the latests features and IWA) Regards. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Jack Parker <jack.parker4@verizon.net>wrote: > I recall it as: > > Arrowhead was pre-IBM, it was merging 7&8&Illustra, 7&Illustra became 9, = > IBM purchased before 8 got merged, then decided that XPS was a = > competitor to DB2PE and went into a support-only mode for the product. > > j. > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chuck Renaud wrote: > > > IBM took the original idea and added DB2 to the mix. Where the=20 > > mis-remembering is happening with the original poster is not a=20 > > "code-share" but feature integration/reimplementation, which is a big=20= > > > difference.=20 > >=20 > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler=20 > > <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote:=20 > >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote:=20 > >>=20 > >>> I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2=20= > > >>> would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the=20= > > >>> medium term...=20 > >>>=20 > >>=20 > >> I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead = > was an=20 > >> Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things = > IBM did=20 > >> was kill Arrowhead.=20 > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include > <disclaimer.h>=20= > > >> Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org=20 > >> "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease = > to be=20 > >> amused."=20 > >>=20 > >> --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > > = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 > >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > > >>=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > > >=20 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --485b393aab73a7bda004c1f7997b
Strange, I can download DB2 Express-C (free for develop, deploy and even distribute) database. Is that a sign we should migrate to that? :o) Maybe up and down is not enough, what about left and right. Anyhow, it IS a bad sign, IMHO. Hrvoje On 6.6.2012. 4:09, Art Kagel wrote: > The IIUG and IBM are working on it. It's getting attention all the way up > and down IBM Information Management. There are issues beyond just the dead > link that are being dealt with that are holding up a resolution, but it is > getting attention and a resolution will happen. I just can't say when yet. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM, ALI SHAHNAZI<ali@datasync.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> The problem is still there, anyone can help? >> >> Cheers >> Ali >> >> >> >> > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >> >> > --14dae9340e1bc3dd1904c1c44294 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > >
I still have the post-acquisition slide deck with the timeline showing the incorporation of DB2...though it also still showed XPS and Red Brick on there as well. So while it started with Informix, IBM did add to it, though I think it was largely a marketing exercise. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Jack Parker <jack.parker4@verizon.net> wrote: > I recall it as: > > Arrowhead was pre-IBM, it was merging 7&8&Illustra, 7&Illustra became 9, = > IBM purchased before 8 got merged, then decided that XPS was a = > competitor to DB2PE and went into a support-only mode for the product. > > j. > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chuck Renaud wrote: > >> IBM took the original idea and added DB2 to the mix. Where the=20 >> mis-remembering is happening with the original poster is not a=20 >> "code-share" but feature integration/reimplementation, which is a big=20= > >> difference.=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler=20 >> <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote:=20 >>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote:=20 >>>=20 >>>> I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2=20= > >>>> would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the=20= > >>>> medium term...=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead = > was an=20 >>> Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things = > IBM did=20 >>> was kill Arrowhead.=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h>=20= > >>> Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org=20 >>> "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease = > to be=20 >>> amused."=20 >>>=20 >>> --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > >>=20 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
My recollection is different. I was in a meeting in DC not long after IBM aquired Informix. Don somebody (he was prior Infomix.......who obviously had drank the blue kool-aid) was talking about how they were going to merge Informix and DB2 into arrow head. I don't recall any mention of xps merging with DB2 during the meeting. I remember quite well how upset the Informix users were that the overall goal at the time (Janet Perna's goal) was to get rid of Informix. ======================== Darren Jacobs Sr Analyst, Information Security Team Darren_Jacobs@carmax.com Wrk : 804.747.0422 x3221 Cell : 804.337.3683 ======================== From: "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> To: ids@iiug.org, Date: 06/08/2012 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27331] Sent by: ids-bounces@iiug.org I vote for Jonathan... And there is some irony in the way time changes things (if you don't understand what I mean you should check the latests features and IWA) Regards. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Jack Parker <jack.parker4@verizon.net>wrote: > I recall it as: > > Arrowhead was pre-IBM, it was merging 7&8&Illustra, 7&Illustra became 9, = > IBM purchased before 8 got merged, then decided that XPS was a = > competitor to DB2PE and went into a support-only mode for the product. > > j. > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chuck Renaud wrote: > > > IBM took the original idea and added DB2 to the mix. Where the=20 > > mis-remembering is happening with the original poster is not a=20 > > "code-share" but feature integration/reimplementation, which is a big=20= > > > difference.=20 > >=20 > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler=20 > > <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote:=20 > >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote:=20 > >>=20 > >>> I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2=20= > > >>> would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the=20= > > >>> medium term...=20 > >>>=20 > >>=20 > >> I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead = > was an=20 > >> Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things = > IBM did=20 > >> was kill Arrowhead.=20 > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include > <disclaimer.h>=20= > > >> Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org=20 > >> "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease = > to be=20 > >> amused."=20 > >>=20 > >> --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > >>=20 > > = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 > >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > > >>=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > > >=20 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --485b393aab73a7bda004c1f7997b ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
Fernando's right, however it was originally supposed to work out, We now have nearly everything in IDS 11.70 that was in XPS except (IMS) dbslices with their corresponding distributed databases and pure hash and bitmap indexes (and Forest of Trees indexes are a darn good substitute for both). IWA lets IDS outperform XPS, DB2, Oracle, SQL Server, and for some queries even Terradata, Netezza and Exadata for those types complex of queries for which XPS was famous. As far as distributed database, it was a useful idea when IDS was limited to ~2TB of data and machines didn't have more than 32 processor cores or 64GB of memory available. Today, IDS can handle databases up to ~128PB (over 12,000 times larger) and you can get machines with hundreds of cores and half a TB of main memory. Since IWA can run on a separate machine from the main IDS server you can actually get twice that horsepower applied to your data processing requirements. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com>wrote: > I vote for Jonathan... And there is some irony in the way time changes > things (if you don't understand what I mean you should check the latests > features and IWA) > Regards. > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Jack Parker <jack.parker4@verizon.net > >wrote: > > > I recall it as: > > > > Arrowhead was pre-IBM, it was merging 7&8&Illustra, 7&Illustra became 9, > = > > IBM purchased before 8 got merged, then decided that XPS was a = > > competitor to DB2PE and went into a support-only mode for the product. > > > > j. > > > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chuck Renaud wrote: > > > > > IBM took the original idea and added DB2 to the mix. Where the=20 > > > mis-remembering is happening with the original poster is not a=20 > > > "code-share" but feature integration/reimplementation, which is a > big=20= > > > > > difference.=20 > > >=20 > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler=20 > > > <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote:=20 > > >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote:=20 > > >>=20 > > >>> I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& > DB2=20= > > > > >>> would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in > the=20= > > > > >>> medium term...=20 > > >>>=20 > > >>=20 > > >> I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead = > > was an=20 > > >> Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things = > > IBM did=20 > > >> was kill Arrowhead.=20 > > >>=20 > > >> --=20 > > >> Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include > > <disclaimer.h>=20= > > > > >> Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org=20 > > >> "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease = > > to be=20 > > >> amused."=20 > > >>=20 > > >> --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04=20 > > >>=20 > > >>=20 > > >>=20 > > > = > > > **************************************************************************= > > *****=20 > > >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion > forum.=20= > > > > >>=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > = > > > **************************************************************************= > > *****=20 > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --485b393aab73a7bda004c1f7997b > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340d0908d4a704c1f863f7
Speadsheets and databases never get along well Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Art Kagel Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:10 AM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27328] There was word floating around of a short-lived idea to merge XPS with DB2, but I don't think that it ever got to the point of a real project. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler < jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > > > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > > medium term... > > > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was an > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM did > was kill Arrowhead. > > -- > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to be > amused." > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > > **************************************************************************** *** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340cad5580bc04c1f7635f **************************************************************************** *** Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
??? Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote: > Speadsheets and databases never get along well > > Cheers > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Art > Kagel > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:10 AM > To: ids@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27328] > > There was word floating around of a short-lived idea to merge XPS with DB2, > but I don't think that it ever got to the point of a real project. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler < > jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > > > > > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > > > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > > > medium term... > > > > > > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was > an > > > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM > did > > > was kill Arrowhead. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to > be > > > amused." > > > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340cad5580bc04c1f7635f > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340a99949e4204c1f8b851
Well XPS is/was a database and DB2 is just a posh spreadsheet :) -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Art Kagel Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:45 AM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27337] ??? Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote: > Speadsheets and databases never get along well > > Cheers > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Art > Kagel > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:10 AM > To: ids@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27328] > > There was word floating around of a short-lived idea to merge XPS with DB2, > but I don't think that it ever got to the point of a real project. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler < > jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > > > > > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > > > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > > > medium term... > > > > > > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was > an > > > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM > did > > > was kill Arrowhead. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to > be > > > amused." > > > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340cad5580bc04c1f7635f > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > **************************************************************************** *** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --14dae9340a99949e4204c1f8b851 **************************************************************************** *** Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
Ahh, got it. Thought you were somehow going from XPS to Xcell or something. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote: > Well XPS is/was a database and DB2 is just a posh spreadsheet :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Art > Kagel > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:45 AM > To: ids@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27337] > > ??? > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote: > > > Speadsheets and databases never get along well > > > > Cheers > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of > Art > > Kagel > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:10 AM > > To: ids@iiug.org > > Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27328] > > > > There was word floating around of a short-lived idea to merge XPS with > DB2, > > but I don't think that it ever got to the point of a real project. > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel > > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated > nor > > those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler < > > jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > > > > > > > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > > > > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > > > > medium term... > > > > > > > > > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was > > an > > > > > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM > > did > > > > > was kill Arrowhead. > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > > > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > > > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to > > be > > > > > amused." > > > > > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > *** > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --14dae9340cad5580bc04c1f7635f > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > *** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340a99949e4204c1f8b851 > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --e89a8f83a1298f465004c1f93898
im troll because I think they will never beat mysql for a free solution? heh. i dont think so. mysql is actually the fastest when tuned properly for web only applications and with nosql interface now available even faster. notice how many websites are all using mysql/php. quite a lot. one of ibm major point they try to make is that mysql needs license for commercial use and innovator-c does not. wrong. there are several branches that are split off from oracle's mysql versions that are identical drop in replacements. if you want you get the source code and modify it as you need. you can make it just like you want, add to the parser, and etc. and no restriction on the # of processors or hardware/memory. if you ware argue that for oltp transactions sure informix and plenty of other databases are probably > than mysql but for simple light loads and especially web applications mysql/myisam is all you really need.
So why are you here, "Hugh"? Plenty of MySQL lists for you out there. On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM, HUGH JORGAN <hjorgan1010@yahoo.com> wrote: > im troll because I think they will never beat mysql for a free solution? heh. > i dont think so. mysql is actually the fastest when tuned properly for web > only applications and with nosql interface now available even faster. notice > how many websites are all using mysql/php. quite a lot. > one of ibm major point they try to make is that mysql needs license for > commercial use and innovator-c does not. wrong. there are several branches > that are split off from oracle's mysql versions that are identical drop in > replacements. if you want you get the source code and modify it as you need. > you can make it just like you want, add to the parser, and etc. and no > restriction on the # of processors or hardware/memory. > > if you ware argue that for oltp transactions sure informix and plenty of other > databases are probably > than mysql but for simple light loads and especially > web applications mysql/myisam is all you really need. > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
It must be related to the Atlantic side you're on... I got it :) On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote: > Well XPS is/was a database and DB2 is just a posh spreadsheet :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Art > Kagel > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:45 AM > To: ids@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27337] > > ??? > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor > those of the entities themselves. > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote: > > > Speadsheets and databases never get along well > > > > Cheers > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of > Art > > Kagel > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:10 AM > > To: ids@iiug.org > > Subject: Re: Arrowhead - was Re: Innovator-C edition do.... [27328] > > > > There was word floating around of a short-lived idea to merge XPS with > DB2, > > but I don't think that it ever got to the point of a real project. > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel > > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/ > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, > > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of > > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated > nor > > those of the entities themselves. > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Leffler < > > jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:56 AM, malc_p <iiug@perrior.net> wrote: > > > > > > > I do recall IBM announcing the "Arrowhead" project whereby IDS& DB2 > > > > would code-share with a view to a fully integrated "DB-new" in the > > > > medium term... > > > > > > > > > > I think you are mis-remembering (or, failing that, I am). Arrowhead was > > an > > > > > Informix project to integrate IDS and XPS. One of the first things IBM > > did > > > > > was kill Arrowhead. > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Leffler <jonathan.leffler@gmail.com> #include <disclaimer.h> > > > Guardian of DBD::Informix - v2011.0612 - http://dbi.perl.org > > > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to > > be > > > > > amused." > > > > > > --f46d04016a97fb53a004c1f72d04 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > *** > > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > --14dae9340cad5580bc04c1f7635f > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > *** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > --14dae9340a99949e4204c1f8b851 > > > **************************************************************************** > *** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --00248c6a672696faad04c1fd7230
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote: > Fernando's right, however it was originally supposed to work out, We now > have nearly everything in IDS 11.70 that was in XPS except (IMS) dbslices > with their corresponding distributed databases and pure hash and bitmap > indexes (and Forest of Trees indexes are a darn good substitute for both). > IWA lets IDS outperform XPS, DB2, Oracle, SQL Server, and for some > queries even Terradata, Netezza and Exadata for those types complex of > queries for which XPS was famous. > To be honest, IWA still has some limitations... Size can be considered one of them. The need to refresh in two steps is another. The types of queries is another. The interesting part is the speed that some of these are being lifted or eliminated... Considering it's the third fixpack: - You can overcome the size issue just by adding nodes. Your calculations (1/2 TB) may not be exact (but let's not go there), but they don't take into account the clustering possibilities. So it comes down to cost... - The partition refresh - The mixed load *with simplicity* (some other solutions handle mix loads but are complex, others don't handle mix loads but are simple) My main concern is the limitations in some query types. Let's keep an eye for the next fixpacks! -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --00248c7118054ba20d04c1fd913d
Dear troll you may be 100% correct in all your assertions (or you may not) but either way you have missed the point. Say I am a young entrepreneur about to launch my once in a generation idea for the greatest web based service ever (have you met them? they all think this) If I build it on mysql (or postgres or whatever) and I AM actually brilliant AND my idea takes off AND I take over the web I am, at some point going to have to port to a grown up database at some vast expense in time as well as money. If, on the other hand, I use Innovator-C from the start, all I have to do is pay IBM some money to get enterprise - no porting required That, IMHO, is the point. On 08/06/2012 20:20, HUGH JORGAN wrote: > im troll because I think they will never beat mysql for a free solution? heh. > i dont think so. mysql is actually the fastest when tuned properly for web > only applications and with nosql interface now available even faster. notice > how many websites are all using mysql/php. quite a lot. > one of ibm major point they try to make is that mysql needs license for > commercial use and innovator-c does not. wrong. there are several branches > that are split off from oracle's mysql versions that are identical drop in > replacements. if you want you get the source code and modify it as you need. > you can make it just like you want, add to the parser, and etc. and no > restriction on the # of processors or hardware/memory. > > if you ware argue that for oltp transactions sure informix and plenty of other > databases are probably > than mysql but for simple light loads and especially > web applications mysql/myisam is all you really need. > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
>you may be 100% correct in all your assertions (or you may not) but >either way you have missed the point. open source is the future. go open source or leave >Say I am a young entrepreneur about to launch my once in a generation >idea for the greatest web based service ever (have you met them? they >all think this) new startups need something easy to install, maintain and administer. and ibm has poor history for this (db2) >If I build it on mysql (or postgres or whatever) and I AM actually >brilliant AND my idea takes off AND I take over the web I am, at some >point going to have to port to a grown up database at some vast expense >in time as well as money. facebook uses mysql and is already fairly mature. if they needed something else they would be at the mercy of ibm or oracle needing to pay for customizations even after upgrading to so called enterprise. >If, on the other hand, I use Innovator-C from the start, all I have to >do is pay IBM some money to get enterprise - no porting required pay is keyword. i thought was supposed to be free? open source it or don't bother. you arguments can also be made about unix vs linux. unix was closed source but gnu/linux came along and has passed it. why because open source lets more people contribute than closed source, new and fresh ideas. regards - troll
Hi, when searching for a database system, which can hold multiple 100GB or some TB of data over the time, you need to have a rock solid DB, which allows in-place upgrade to new versions, replication, for OLTP row locking, different types of indexes, etc. This is not the case for any open source product we evaluated (at least not completely). And when you started with a product, it is not that easy to migrate. When a huge amount of data is involved, including special data types, blob data etc., it might be a real big project to modify the DB system. Postgres is going in the direction to be a system like that, but it is not complete. But all "new technology" databases, mostly on open source, are not capable to handle all of these requirements. That is why most of the companies choose well supported databases from IBM/Oracle/Microsoft etc. These are all available in express/small editions which allow a cheap start and then (when you have the money) to upgrade without big problems to a more scalable technology able to handle the amount of data you need. So it is not always open source or nothing. I am also a fan of open source stuff. Using it widely throughout our software setups. Projects like apache WS, JBoss AS, Tomcat, OTRS, Nagios, not to say anything about Linux are very often used. I also like to contribute when we find bugs. But when it comes to long living data, you would want to avoid nights and nights of copying data to new instances. There are very many reasons why somebody would pay for a DB. But, of course, it all depends what you are using the DB for. We are using also mysql DBs, but not for ~4000 parallel Users ! Marcus ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- Von: "HUGH JORGAN" <hjorgan1010@yahoo.com> An: ids@iiug.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2012 19:02:09 Betreff: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [27369] >you may be 100% correct in all your assertions (or you may not) but >either way you have missed the point. open source is the future. go open source or leave >Say I am a young entrepreneur about to launch my once in a generation >idea for the greatest web based service ever (have you met them? they >all think this) new startups need something easy to install, maintain and administer. and ibm has poor history for this (db2) >If I build it on mysql (or postgres or whatever) and I AM actually >brilliant AND my idea takes off AND I take over the web I am, at some >point going to have to port to a grown up database at some vast expense >in time as well as money. facebook uses mysql and is already fairly mature. if they needed something else they would be at the mercy of ibm or oracle needing to pay for customizations even after upgrading to so called enterprise. >If, on the other hand, I use Innovator-C from the start, all I have to >do is pay IBM some money to get enterprise - no porting required pay is keyword. i thought was supposed to be free? open source it or don't bother. you arguments can also be made about unix vs linux. unix was closed source but gnu/linux came along and has passed it. why because open source lets more people contribute than closed source, new and fresh ideas. regards - troll ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
Dear Troll, When you make the statement: " Facebook uses MySQL and is already fairly mature" I wonder if you are aware of the big corner that Facebook has painted itself into by going the free route (understandable when they started up without much money) with a DBMS that does not scale too well. In other words, you get what you pay for. If you care to, you can read that same conclusion as stated by Michael Stonebraker himself at: < http://gigaom.com/cloud/facebook-trapped-in-mysql-fate-worse-than-death/>; Facebook is fairly mature all right. I guess calling running 9,000 ! instances of memcachd just to keep up (with the number of concurrent transactions), as well as splitting their db systems into 4,000 shards. Even though they are not "at the mercy of Oracle or IBM" for these expensive licenses you are complaining about, I'll bet they are at the mercy of consultants paid big bucks by the hour and will end up spending more by the time they get themselves out of this pickle than they would have spent on obtaining the proper, scalable Enterprise DBMS in the first place. Jim -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of HUGH JORGAN Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:02 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: Innovator-C edition download links broken [27369] >you may be 100% correct in all your assertions (or you may not) but >either way you have missed the point. open source is the future. go open source or leave >Say I am a young entrepreneur about to launch my once in a generation >idea for the greatest web based service ever (have you met them? they >all think this) new startups need something easy to install, maintain and administer. and ibm has poor history for this (db2) >If I build it on mysql (or postgres or whatever) and I AM actually >brilliant AND my idea takes off AND I take over the web I am, at some >point going to have to port to a grown up database at some vast expense >in time as well as money. facebook uses mysql and is already fairly mature. if they needed something else they would be at the mercy of ibm or oracle needing to pay for customizations even after upgrading to so called enterprise. >If, on the other hand, I use Innovator-C from the start, all I have to >do is pay IBM some money to get enterprise - no porting required pay is keyword. i thought was supposed to be free? open source it or don't bother. you arguments can also be made about unix vs linux. unix was closed source but gnu/linux came along and has passed it. why because open source lets more people contribute than closed source, new and fresh ideas. regards - troll **************************************************************************** *** Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.