Re: DB2 vs IDS Getting the word out...
On Aug 29, 9:04 pm, e...@herber-consulting.de wrote: > > There are programs on how IBM is pushing DB2 and doing dog and pony shows at Universities. > > There is a lack of programs from IBM on pushing IDS. > > > Well that's not 100% accurate. > > > There is a current dog and pony show that's going to hit Chicago on Oct 1 that recaps the IDS 11.5 release. > > (I don't see one for DB2's latest release.) > > There is a big difference. I assume that IBM will also start a > roadshow or some other form of business partner > event as soon as they have a new release of DB2. I remember some 2 or > 3 days free technical workshops > here in Germany last year. The difference is that those roadshows and > free technical workshops are in investment > to increase sales now and here. The DB2 on Campus program is focused > on universities and is an investment > into the future. I want to see the same future investment from IBM for > IDS ! > > The previous few launches of IDS has seen IBM run free, 2 or 3 day technical workshops for business partners at a number of locations around the world.
On Sep 2, 8:01 pm, scottishpoet <drybur...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 29, 9:04 pm, e...@herber-consulting.de wrote: > > > > > > There are programs on how IBM is pushing DB2 and doing dog and pony shows at Universities. > > > There is a lack of programs from IBM on pushing IDS. > > > > Well that's not 100% accurate. > > > > There is a current dog and pony show that's going to hit Chicago on Oct 1 that recaps the IDS 11.5 release. > > > (I don't see one for DB2's latest release.) > > > There is a big difference. I assume that IBM will also start a > > roadshow or some other form of business partner > > event as soon as they have a new release of DB2. I remember some 2 or > > 3 days free technical workshops > > here in Germany last year. The difference is that those roadshows and > > free technical workshops are in investment > > to increase sales now and here. The DB2 on Campus program is focused > > on universities and is an investment > > into the future. I want to see the same future investment from IBM for > > IDS ! > > The previous few launches of IDS has seen IBM run free, 2 or 3 day > technical workshops for business partners at a number of locations > around the world. I know those technical workshops for IDS, I even advertised them on http://informix-zone.com. Again, this is not the same as the 'DB2 on Campus' program. ! There is a whole team visiting universities around the world and teaching/promoting DB2. This is an investment into the future. The same has to be done by IBM for IDS ! I appreciate the free technical workshops, no doubt about that. But it is something completely different, it attracts existing IDS customers, not students.
eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: > On Sep 2, 8:01 pm, scottishpoet <drybur...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Aug 29, 9:04 pm, e...@herber-consulting.de wrote: >> >> >> >>>> There are programs on how IBM is pushing DB2 and doing dog and pony shows at Universities. >>>> There is a lack of programs from IBM on pushing IDS. >>>> Well that's not 100% accurate. >>>> There is a current dog and pony show that's going to hit Chicago on Oct 1 that recaps the IDS 11.5 release. >>>> (I don't see one for DB2's latest release.) >>> There is a big difference. I assume that IBM will also start a >>> roadshow or some other form of business partner >>> event as soon as they have a new release of DB2. I remember some 2 or >>> 3 days free technical workshops >>> here in Germany last year. The difference is that those roadshows and >>> free technical workshops are in investment >>> to increase sales now and here. The DB2 on Campus program is focused >>> on universities and is an investment >>> into the future. I want to see the same future investment from IBM for >>> IDS ! >> The previous few launches of IDS has seen IBM run free, 2 or 3 day >> technical workshops for business partners at a number of locations >> around the world. > > I know those technical workshops for IDS, I even advertised them on > http://informix-zone.com. > Again, this is not the same as the 'DB2 on Campus' program. ! There is > a whole team > visiting universities around the world and teaching/promoting DB2. > This is an investment into the > future. The same has to be done by IBM for IDS ! > > I appreciate the free technical workshops, no doubt about that. But it > is something completely different, > it attracts existing IDS customers, not students. > So the idea that a whole generation of developers has really been missed isn't too far fetched is it? Since Informix-on-Linux, 1998, ten years, there have been a lot of lost opportunities to get IDS to students in a serious way--not unlike the java phenomenon. A college freshmen in 1998 missed 4 years of IDS, graduated, and the same thing has happened 2 more times now, again in 2002, and in 2006. These same people were exposed to java, and other databases, there really was no reason why Informix was missed other than a really ignorant marketing department that does not get how important developers are. You have to get people aware of IDS early and often. Yes, there were some "educational" discounts and really tepid educational efforts but not the way MySQL, Java, and other technology leaders have made a serious effort to get students and the next generation of IT in to Informix. None of the kids I work with know what Informix is, and most will not even know why I would "bring up an old product like that.".