Re: Agghhh!!!Where's the embedded SQL???

Ben Clark wrote: All this .htm --> .idc --> .htx It's like building sandcastles with tweezers! It's like programming in machine code! It's like eating steak with a straw! Where's the embedded SQL? Does Netscape Livewire have it? Or only Livewire Pro? Do I have to have Netscape Enterprise Server? Or will Netscape FastTrack Server be sufficient? Can I stay with MS Access or do I have to switch to Informix? brc You can find a complete description of what Livewire and Livewire Pro are all about at the Netscape home: http://home.netscape.com, and use their product finder to pull up a very comprehensive white paper on the product. Fasttrack Server is quite enough to make Livewire Pro work, however if you plan on doing any real business with Netscape products, you should be at least aware of the Enterprise Server, so go ahead and get it. As far as httpd servers go it is a fine product. You can download it like all the other Netscape products and try it before you buy it. The Livewire download is a bit confusing as you'll have to download both the Livewire downloads to get all the pieces. This means download Livewire 1.0.1 AND'Livewire Pro 1.0.1. There are add-ons in the Livewire 1.0.1 download that complete the Pro download. The Pro portion contains the Informix Online WorkGroupServer ('OWGS')' from Informix. Yes, your frustration is probably warranted as the information is a bit cryptic on what to do with everything. Take your time, go slow, and give yourself a bit of time to absorb the information. The thing to keep in mind is how far ahead Netscape is into the future, as most corporations are just now beginning to understand the web for business. Netscape release Livewire <last year>, and it has functionality that is only now being looked at by many companies. JAM'makes a nice product similar to Livewire, if you're looking for an alternative to compare it with. ('www.prolifics.com') Get the Enterprise Server 2.01, as this contains ENTERPRISE'level stuff, hence the name. You get MKS source code control, and a full-featured httpd that is quite robust. The administration is quite novel, using a browser. This is what I would term "practicing what you preach". Lastly, you ask, where's the SQL? It's in the Javascript. Livewire is all about Javascript. Before you underestimate the power of Javascript, run the admin server for any of the newer Netscape servers and it's all Javascript--Livewire. Commerce Server suffers from an older front-end, so it doesn't enjoy the pretty face of the newer servers. Enterprise Server is the top of the line server, and with the advent of Livepayment, makes up the neo-Commerce solution. (Netscape released Liveconnect a couple of years ago, and Sun liked it so much they now call it Javascript.) The Livewire product is basically web-database connectivity via Javascript, and several other interesting paradigm-shifting tools used to get you into the web with business. There's a Site Manager for websites, and adequate documentation. At any rate, allowing a download try-before-you-buy is a great way to check it out to see if you like it. The Javascript contained with Livewire has cursors, and data base functions necessary for data base use. I can't give you a full report as my time has taken me away from it of late, but the product overall is very fairly priced, and according to Netscape advertising, the lowest priced software out there. If there was a decent application builder for it, it could be a new 4GL. It requires building a lot of templates though to get that kind of functionality out of it. But that's what Java is all about. Oh, and your question, can you stay with Access?''Sure. But Livewire works with the OWGS, not Access. There are several other Javascript products out there that may suit you, but keep in mind Access is not really a serious data base product. Microsoft is betting the farm on SQL'Server, not Access. According to reports here and elsewhere'OWGS'is a good product and seems to scale better than SQL Server, but your situation may differ than others. More later... Tim