RE: IDS Next Version - features wanted - now widely off topic
> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org > [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Moolman > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:16 AM > To: Data Goob; informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: RE: IDS Next Version - features wanted. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org > [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] > On Behalf Of Data Goob > Sent: 01 June 2005 02:07 AM > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: IDS Next Version - features wanted. > > > >Paul, > > > >Good points you make, but I'm probably Pavlovian about it, basing > >my comments on the past, where there's been typically only one ad, > >with one good shot, and one bullet in the gun. > > > >This means that we/they/you/us won't get the luxury to waste precious > >ad-space on fluff and high-level bullshit. If the geeks don't get > >the message, it doesn't matter. This is who management turns to for > >the final decision anyway. > > > Sadly, in my company (and there must be more companies like mine), > management does not turn to the geeks, but rather to the gossip and > sales talk they heard floating around - and the media ........ > And that is *exactly* the case in my company, too. I have been shouting for the last four years that Informix is *NOT* dead -- I might as well be shouting into the dust storms that come thru Phoenix in the late summer. It is all fine for Mark S. & Jerry K. to go around touting the technical innovations in IDS 10.0 (and those innovations are very significant and long overdue), but that is all in vain when upper mgmt still has the stubborn perception that "Informix is dead, long live DB2" -- or, worse yet, "let's take another look at Oracle." Maybe in smaller organizations the mgmt will defer to the geeks, but the chasm is too wide in large companies. No offense to all of the SMB's out there, but I think that this "battle" will be lost or won in the large companies. I know that IBM knows how to market to upper mgmt, they have been doing it for years now. They just need to marshal out the IBM DM execs, and get the message out *directly* to upper IT mgmt in large companies -- it simply will *not* be heeded coming from the lowly IT staffers in those companies. The InfoBahns are great for getting out the technical stuff, but I for one have *not* seen any upper mgmt at them, simply because they are aimed at the technical people. Paul Mosser sending to informix-list
mosserp@wellsfargo.com wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org >>[mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Moolman >>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:16 AM >>To: Data Goob; informix-list@iiug.org >>Subject: RE: IDS Next Version - features wanted. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org >>[mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] >>On Behalf Of Data Goob >>Sent: 01 June 2005 02:07 AM >>To: informix-list@iiug.org >>Subject: Re: IDS Next Version - features wanted. >> >> >> >>>Paul, >>> >>>Good points you make, but I'm probably Pavlovian about it, basing >>>my comments on the past, where there's been typically only one ad, >>>with one good shot, and one bullet in the gun. >>> >>>This means that we/they/you/us won't get the luxury to waste precious >>>ad-space on fluff and high-level bullshit. If the geeks don't get >>>the message, it doesn't matter. This is who management turns to for >>>the final decision anyway. >> >> >>Sadly, in my company (and there must be more companies like mine), >>management does not turn to the geeks, but rather to the gossip and >>sales talk they heard floating around - and the media ........ >> > > > And that is *exactly* the case in my company, too. I have been shouting > for the last four years that Informix is *NOT* dead -- I might as well > be shouting into the dust storms that come thru Phoenix in the late > summer. It is all fine for Mark S. & Jerry K. to go around touting the > technical innovations in IDS 10.0 (and those innovations are very > significant and long overdue), but that is all in vain when upper mgmt > still has the stubborn perception that "Informix is dead, long live DB2" > -- or, worse yet, "let's take another look at Oracle." > > Maybe in smaller organizations the mgmt will defer to the geeks, but the > chasm is too wide in large companies. No offense to all of the SMB's > out there, but I think that this "battle" will be lost or won in the > large companies. I know that IBM knows how to market to upper mgmt, > they have been doing it for years now. They just need to marshal out > the IBM DM execs, and get the message out *directly* to upper IT mgmt in > large companies -- it simply will *not* be heeded coming from the lowly > IT staffers in those companies. The InfoBahns are great for getting out > the technical stuff, but I for one have *not* seen any upper mgmt at > them, simply because they are aimed at the technical people. > > Paul Mosser > > sending to informix-list OK, so then we should ask/plead/beg IBM to have both technical and management ads to get the message out about the next release of Informix, this way everyone is covered... Let me know when these ads will appear, I want to co-op and get the VW ready with the girls. Since I can guarantee the ads will appeal to nobody I don't want to take a chance, and have my own campaign standing by. Let me know what would be the best city to run my campaign in so I can optimize my money spent. I'll need a website URL to slap on the side of the bug, and maybe if I can, I'll find a message to put on those girls in strategic places. Bikinis don't leave much room for words... 8-)
Data Goob wrote: > Let me know when these ads will appear, I want to co-op and get the VW > ready > with the girls. Since I can guarantee the ads will appeal to nobody I > don't > want to take a chance, and have my own campaign standing by. Let me > know what > would be the best city to run my campaign in so I can optimize my money > spent. > I'll need a website URL to slap on the side of the bug, and maybe if I can, > I'll find a message to put on those girls in strategic places. Bikinis > don't > leave much room for words... So you would actually read the URL if this vehicle passed you? Oh well, we're tolerant here in Canada... -- Serge Rielau DB2 SQL Compiler Development IBM Toronto Lab