Re: Informix Licensing and Pricing Schemes.
Despite the subject line, this thread contains no Informix licensing or technical problem at all — it is an off-topic digression about editor and OS preferences. Serge Rielau says he prefers Windows and GUI editors (xemacs, UltraEdit) and finds vi's cryptic commands unintuitive, while others defend vi/Unix shells, noting that correct TERMCAP/TERMINFO settings fix backspace and cursor-key behaviour and suggesting GUI variants such as gvim. Opinions are exchanged but nothing is resolved.
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DA Morgan wrote: > So you prefer Windows over Unix? I doubt it! Actually yes... I grew up with a Commodore Amiga. I still like to do things the way I did them in 1986 yes. > You prefer notepad over vi? I doubt it! I prefer xemacs (X!). I hate shells where the the backspace button does't backspace and the cursor keys don't do what they are meant to do and where I can't set the cursor with the mouse. vi is incomprihensible to me. Why would I want to learn cryptic commands that were OK in the world of 80x25 when I have 1200/1000 pixels and a mouse at my disposal? On windows I use ultraedit. Amusingly all ISVs I have visited here in China appear to be using Ultraedit. Call me spoiled. > You prefer CTRL-F to grep? I doubt it! Indeed. -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development DB2 UDB for Linux, Unix, Windows IBM Toronto Lab
In message <434admF1m2ep2U1@individual.net>, Serge Rielau <srielau@ca.ibm.com> writes >DA Morgan wrote: >> So you prefer Windows over Unix? I doubt it! >Actually yes... I grew up with a Commodore Amiga. >I still like to do things the way I did them in 1986 yes. > >> You prefer notepad over vi? I doubt it! >I prefer xemacs (X!). I hate shells where the the backspace button >does't backspace and the cursor keys don't do what they are meant to do >and where I can't set the cursor with the mouse. OK - you can't move the cursor with the mouse - but all the rest cab happen in vi & UNIX shells so long as the TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry is correct. >vi is incomprihensible to me. Why would I want to learn cryptic commands >that were OK in the world of 80x25 when I have 1200/1000 pixels and a >mouse at my disposal? Vi is sometimes the fastest editor to use. >On windows I use ultraedit. Amusingly all ISVs I have visited here in >China appear to be using Ultraedit. > >Call me spoiled. > >> You prefer CTRL-F to grep? I doubt it! >Indeed. > -- Surfer! Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net
informix-list-bounces@iiug.org wrote: > In message <434admF1m2ep2U1@individual.net>, Serge Rielau > <srielau@ca.ibm.com> writes > >>DA Morgan wrote: >> >>>So you prefer Windows over Unix? I doubt it! >> >>Actually yes... I grew up with a Commodore Amiga. >>I still like to do things the way I did them in 1986 yes. >> >> >>>You prefer notepad over vi? I doubt it! >> >>I prefer xemacs (X!). I hate shells where the the backspace button >>does't backspace and the cursor keys don't do what they are meant to do >>and where I can't set the cursor with the mouse. > > > OK - you can't move the cursor with the mouse - but all the rest cab > happen in vi & UNIX shells so long as the TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry is > correct. Actually, ever heard of gvim, xvi et similia? (for the less cultured among my readers - you know who you are ;-) - et similia is not an application name) > >>vi is incomprihensible to me. Why would I want to learn cryptic commands >>that were OK in the world of 80x25 when I have 1200/1000 pixels and a >>mouse at my disposal? > > > Vi is sometimes the fastest editor to use. > > >>On windows I use ultraedit. Amusingly all ISVs I have visited here in >>China appear to be using Ultraedit. >> >>Call me spoiled. >> >> >>>You prefer CTRL-F to grep? I doubt it! >> >>Indeed. >> > > -- Ciao, Marco ______________________________________________________________________________ Marco Greco /UK /IBM Standard disclaimers apply! Informix faq http://www.iiug.org/techinfo/faq/informix.htm 4glworks http://www.4glworks.com Informix on Linux http://www.4glworks.com/ifmxlinux.htm
Surfer! wrote: > In message <434admF1m2ep2U1@individual.net>, Serge Rielau > <srielau@ca.ibm.com> writes > >> DA Morgan wrote: >> >>> So you prefer Windows over Unix? I doubt it! >> >> Actually yes... I grew up with a Commodore Amiga. >> I still like to do things the way I did them in 1986 yes. >> >>> You prefer notepad over vi? I doubt it! >> >> I prefer xemacs (X!). I hate shells where the the backspace button >> does't backspace and the cursor keys don't do what they are meant to >> do and where I can't set the cursor with the mouse. > > > OK - you can't move the cursor with the mouse - but all the rest cab > happen in vi & UNIX shells so long as the TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry is > correct. > >> vi is incomprihensible to me. Why would I want to learn cryptic commands >> that were OK in the world of 80x25 when I have 1200/1000 pixels and a >> mouse at my disposal? > > > Vi is sometimes the fastest editor to use. If you know it by heart, yes. But you can use ANY editor that complies with the most basic GUI conventions. And that's the rub: Being intuitive to use. Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development DB2 UDB for Linux, Unix, Windows IBM Toronto Lab
Serge Rielau said: > >> Vi is sometimes the fastest editor to use. > If you know it by heart, yes. But you can use ANY editor that complies > with the most basic GUI conventions. And that's the rub: Being intuitive > to use. As someone who cranks code for a living, I'd take a decent editor with good OS integration and text processing facilities over a mouse driven pile of shite any day. An architect can use Microsoft Paint to design a building, I doubt anybody would, though. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila, relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit controversial among modellers. --r937, dbforums.com
In message <434f85F1m0lskU2@individual.net>, Serge Rielau <srielau@ca.ibm.com> writes >Surfer! wrote: >> In message <434admF1m2ep2U1@individual.net>, Serge Rielau >><srielau@ca.ibm.com> writes >> >>> DA Morgan wrote: >>> >>>> So you prefer Windows over Unix? I doubt it! >>> >>> Actually yes... I grew up with a Commodore Amiga. >>> I still like to do things the way I did them in 1986 yes. >>> >>>> You prefer notepad over vi? I doubt it! >>> >>> I prefer xemacs (X!). I hate shells where the the backspace button >>>does't backspace and the cursor keys don't do what they are meant to >>>do and where I can't set the cursor with the mouse. >> OK - you can't move the cursor with the mouse - but all the rest >>cab happen in vi & UNIX shells so long as the TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry >>is correct. >> >>> vi is incomprihensible to me. Why would I want to learn cryptic >>>commands >>> that were OK in the world of 80x25 when I have 1200/1000 pixels and >>>mouse at my disposal? >> Vi is sometimes the fastest editor to use. >If you know it by heart, yes. I probably use a *very* limited set of it's operation, but there are plenty of times when editing on a PC that I wish I was using 'vi' - maybe I should find a Win32 download of it... > But you can use ANY editor that complies with the most basic GUI >conventions. And that's the rub: Being intuitive to use. a = append i = insert x = delete r = replace c = change Is it really that bad? -- Surfer! Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net