Re: An Oracle question

Nikita <Nikita@yahoo.com> wrote: >And complexity isn't necessarily a vice either. That's your implication. You had used complex in an earlier post. I was merely pointing out that 'complex' does not equal 'better'. As far as the complexity of UNIX, it's actually the complexity that makes it far easier to do certain tasks in UNIX than Windows. The complexities in the Windows product line actually make the systems harder to use and administer. So we see two instances of complexity, one enhancing usability and flexibility, the other..... well, draw your own conclusions. >So, I take it you have worked extensively with Oracle, and went back to Informix because >Oracle was "too hard"? Never said that. In fact, I said I am not a DBA, Informix, Oracle or otherwise, but that I have talked to (actually listened to) a large number of DBA's who have used both extensively. >You are right in terms of Oracle's Marketing, it is superior (altho one could then ask why they are still kicking Microsoft in the butt). I think that there are ANY SQL Server installations out there is a tribute to MS marketing. I don't think Oracle's marketing savvy could place that many clearly inferior products. I'm sure Informix's marketing arm couldn't! >In terms of what I have based my statements upon, it's what I see out there and what recruiters are saying. I don't think I have to go into the technical deficiencies of most recruiters. That's a marketing function as well and looks only to demand without a clue to technical issues. >I have never run into an ex-Oracle DBA >saying they bailed because they thought Informix was better. However, you may be right in that my experiences are limited. That's the point. You're not likely to run into many in an Oracle shop. >In terms of stating a preference without articulating what makes one product better over another.... I wouldn't, however call an answer to a question about an Oracle feature of "switch to Informix" a truely articulative answer tho, which >is why this silly thread even started. Didn't see the original post, but I tend to pass those by like I do the, "Macintosh is better" mentality in a Mac group. You just expect that sort of thing. >Well, better get to work. Oh, yeah.... work! > >Carlos Benjamin wrote: > >> Nikita <Nikita@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >Carlos Benjamin wrote: >> >> Nikita <Nikita@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hmmm. I come from Kansas, and one guy with a combine can do the work of hundreds with scythes. I'm not saying that Oracle doesn't have the lion's share of the market, but your guesstimate proves nothing. I'm not a DBA, but those I've talked with who have worked with both prefer Informix because it is less labor intensive (see combine vs. scythe above). >> > >> >See other post....scalability, customizability, enterprise level, etc. In terms of DBA's, maybe I just don't know enough Informix DBA's >> >but the Oracle ones I know and work with enjoy it and prefer it. So, guess it's just a matter of who you know. >> >> You left out 'complexity' (which isn't necessarily an asset). The problem with many of your statements is that they imply that the same does not hold true for Informix. In terms of scalability and customization Informix performs in spades. When we get into enterprise level application I think another factor comes into play. Many companies go to outside consulting firms when making ERP decisions and the fact is that most of those consulting firms have strategic partnership arrangements with Oracle which boils back down to marketing. Oracle is a good product, but the only aspect in which it seems to be superior is in the way it is marketed. >> >> Basing your statement on the limited universe of Oracle DBA's who haven't worked with Informix is probably what sets our teeth on edge. I have not run into very many Oracle DBA's who have also worked with Informix. I have talked with a number of Informix/Oracle DBA's and Informix DBA's who have worked with Oracle in the past and nearly every one of them prefers Informix. Not only do they state a preference, but they can list performance and usability issues to support their choice. I tend to discount the opinions of those who state their preference but can't articulate what makes one product better than another. >> >> By the way. I seem to remember another Nikita who was of the opinion that his preferred system would 'bury' the competition...... >> >> carlos >> >> Currently on hiatus from unemployment. >> ---------------------- >> Do you do Linux? :) >> Get your FREE @linuxstart.com email address at: http://www.linuxstart.com > carlos Currently on hiatus from unemployment. ---------------------- Do you do Linux? :) Get your FREE @linuxstart.com email address at: http://www.linuxstart.com