RE: {Spam?} RE: Informix Roundup: 26 July 2009
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:18:44 +0100 > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: {Spam?} RE: Informix Roundup: 26 July 2009 > > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > Now that's funny. > > > > SAP is dropping support for Informix, yet they have an article on using > > compression in the latest version of IDS? Is 11.x even certified to run > > the latest version of SAP? > > > > Also the real problem with embedding IDS in a solution is cost. Unless > > you're selling a very expensive piece of kit, the cost of going with IDS > > could break the bank. > > > > Hows that for being short and to the point? > > You do have a point Gumby. > > Perhaps if you combed your hair differently, though, people might not > see it. > Awww... Poor widdle clown. I guess in hard economic times, even the side show circus freaks that bite off chicken heads are feeling the crunch too. Sigh. Look mate, I didn't drop IDS as a supported platform, SAP did after conversations with Janet P. I just find it ironic that after forcing IDS users to migrate, the majority over to Oracle, they now come out with articles on using IDS 11.5's compression while their next release isn't being released on IDS. (Or is that the latest released version? I'm not an SAP user.) Is this a subtle way to say that they *may* support IDS in the next release? Isn't that too late for the existing ISP customers that had to migrate? Just out of curiosity, if there is an SAP knowledgeable person, of the SAP implementations that went wrong, like Nike for example... How many of those were on Oracle, IDS, DB2, SQLServer? I know its a negative for SAP and that no one wants to know the bad numbers, but I really am curious as to the number of troubled installations by database vendor and to keep everything in perspective, the percentage of troubled installs to good installs by vendor as well. With respect to the other point... I think we can all agree that Informix kind of gets blown out of the water when it comes to pricing. I don't blame this on the Informix developers or the relatively few foot soldiers in the S&D trenches. But its IBM as usual. Bloated pricing so that the big customers can get H,I, and J level discounts plus additional percentages off, while the little guy in the SMB market, and white space, get screwed. I do know of a BP that embeds IDS. Its a certain financial company located in all places, Sweden. For what their product does, I'm impressed. But their price tag for their product is high enough that the cost for Informix is still a relatively small enough percentage. Truly there are other applications where one could conceivably embed IDS were it not for the high price point. Those apps are going to MySQL and that would mean that they would go to Oracle when they outgrow MySQL. Postgres is another challenger too. So while you may not like my points, they are, I'm afraid very valid points. On the positive side, IDS did not only outscore Microsoft, but also IBM as a whole in terms of customer sat. While this is great news, its really a reflection on the community and the heritage IFMXers, not IBM. This makes it more difficult to understand IBM's continued lack of support of IDS in light of its strong showing in the customer sat reports. (And it took you a *week* later to report this!!!, where was the IIUG? I thought Stu would have been on top of this. Maybe if he didn't have this fetish with ruby red slippers, or was that red socks ... (Some form of red footware), he'd have made some sort of positive statement.... ;-) But what do I know? Maybe I should put down a long shot bet on the Cubbies to take the World Series? -G _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: ... > Look mate, I didn't drop IDS as a supported platform, SAP did after > conversations with Janet P. I just find it ironic that after forcing IDS > users to migrate, the majority over to Oracle, they now come out with > articles on using IDS 11.5's compression while their next release isn't > being released on IDS. (Or is that the latest released version? I'm not > an SAP user.) SAP supports every new Informix releases for all SAP products that are supported with Informix. These are all ABAP systems up to basis relese 6.40. Support will last at least until 2013-03-31 (extended maintenance). Customer specific maintenance goes beyond this date ("Support never ends"). > Is this a subtle way to say that they *may* support IDS in the next > release? No. > Isn't that too late for the existing ISP customers that had to > migrate? *sigh*, yes. > Just out of curiosity, if there is an SAP knowledgeable person, of the > SAP implementations that went wrong, like Nike for example... How many > of those were on Oracle, IDS, DB2, SQLServer? Well, AFAIK no SAP implementation went wrong because of the chosen platform. A "nice" example: http://sapmesideways.blogspot.com/ (worth while to read the whole sad story). Besides, I assume that most failed projects were on Oracle. But that is for no other reason as the one that most SAP customers choose Oracle as their database vensor. Regards Christian -- Disclaimer: The statements made above are my own statements and don't necessarily reflect those of my employer.
> From: chknews@gmx.net > SAP supports every new Informix releases for all SAP products that are > supported with Informix. These are all ABAP systems up to basis relese > 6.40. Really? Is 6.40 the latest release? If this statement is true, then why did all of the SAP customers on IDS migrate to a different platform? Sorry but your statement is a bit disingenuous. The question isn't that SAP supports new releases of IDS on existing ports of products, but that SAP told customers that after release X, they would no longer be supporting those products on Informix. > > Is this a subtle way to say that they *may* support IDS in the next > > release? > > No. > > > Isn't that too late for the existing ISP customers that had to > > migrate? > > *sigh*, yes. > Ah, so now we're getting to the bottom of things. ;-) > > Just out of curiosity, if there is an SAP knowledgeable person, of the > > SAP implementations that went wrong, like Nike for example... How many > > of those were on Oracle, IDS, DB2, SQLServer? > > Well, AFAIK no SAP implementation went wrong because of the chosen > platform. A "nice" example: http://sapmesideways.blogspot.com/ (worth > while to read the whole sad story). Besides, I assume that most failed > projects were on Oracle. But that is for no other reason as the one > that most SAP customers choose Oracle as their database vensor. > > Regards > Christian It wasn't a question of implementations that went wrong because of the underlying database platform. It was tracking the implementations that went wrong by database platform, and then looking at the ratio of problems to number of customers on that platform. This would give you an apples to apples comparison of issues. I used Nike as an example because Nike claimed that the migration to SAP was botched, cost Nike 1 billion dollars in lost business/revenue and they sued SAP and Oracle. (No I don't recall the outcome.) Not to pick on Oracle, but it was a very visible and noteworthy example. The idea is to say by platform, XXX projects went wrong and it represents YY% of our customers on that platform. These numbers should be known at least by SAP. As to assigning blame as to why those projects went bad, its outside the scope of the question. You could have had Informix, Oracle, IBM or another 3rd party, or SAP themselves running the project. All sorts of factors, including the customers themselves could have lead to problems. -G _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports