Re: Looks Like The Party Is Over In Menlo (2nd try)

From: "smooth1" <smooth1@iclway.co.uk> > >Surfer! wrote in message ... > >In article <39971973_2@news2.vip.uk.com>, smooth1 <smooth1@iclway.co.uk> > >writes > ><snipped> > >> > >> Hence, my backups are corrupt, I can't handle crashes, kill errant > >> users and I won't know about corruption until someone spots > >> that the system is producing crap data (if this gets spotted at >all!). > >> > >> SE is out of data in terms of data integrity and should be dropped > >> in favour of IDS Workgroup Edition. > > > >Technically better does not always mean more appropriate for *all* > >users. Informix need to get their heads round that fact. Of course > > Yes, it does in terms of reliability > > >there are all the flaws in SE that you have pointed out, but it's a much > >simpler product to run and administer and because of that a much better > >choice for many (if not most) small users. > > Where in your contract with small users does it say > > If the system crashes/power to the system fails then upon > restart it is ok for the system > > a) to have some of the data unaccessible It's never happened to me. > b) to have some of the data in the system to now be wrong It's never happened to me. > c) to lose transactional integrity. It's never happened to me. > look, customer X has a credit note for 10000 dollars and > our account has not been debited! An easy way to get out > of debt....Err why are these people repossessing the > furniture?? > > d) To produce funny errors OK, no more Mr Nice Guy. David, I used SE for something like 10 years. In all that time, I *never* had an unrecoverable error. I had plenty of backwater clients who needed firm guidance on where the on/off switch was. I had plenty of rural clients who had endless shit with their power supplies. The worst thing that ever happened to me was after some catastrophic PEBCAK problem, that I might have to run bcheck -y twice. All these small users loved the cost effective, easy solution of SE (with 4GL). SE *has* transaction logging. It's not great, but it's there. I know *very* *large* cellular companies who used (and probably still use) SE for the zillions of transactions *they* record. (I don't agree with them, I think it's a false economy, but there you go.) *They* weren't worried about all these things you keep harping on about, and we're talking about _tens_of_millions_ of dollars a month here. SE isn't perfect, but in a low-volume, departmental role where the cost of a DBA can't be justified, it's a brilliant solution. I'm tired of people slagging it off. It's not the pile of junk you keep making it out to be. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com