Re: Excellent future for DB2

>> Let me be more clear, not just by todays standard, even by 90's standard, >> Mainframe is dated. This is a well-known fact, not just my opinion. > > A well known fact? Based on what? So how come customers are still > investing on this 'dated' platform. Based on everything I have seen and heard. I have not met anybody who honestly think Mainframe is not dated. Why are people still investing in a dated platform? It's like asking why people buy classic autos, even they are so expensive and hard to maintain. There can be a number of reasons. Maybe they are emotionally attached to the old stuff, or maybe they have not fully realized the benefits of newer cars. But there is one important factor that doesn't apply to classic autos. That is the cost of migration from mainframe. >> >> DB2 is #3 in terms of ease-of-use, behind Oracle and SQL Server. Now >> that's just my own experience. If you have read previous comments >> carefully, it is really not that vague. > > Ah, finally *facts* change into *opinions* Did I say this was a fact? Maybe to me it is a fact. > I have used both Oracle and DB2 and I find DB2 a lot easier to use. > Ok, I'll be fair , I have used DB2 a lot longer. I have used Oracle as long as DB2 and I don't work for either IBM or Oracle.

Bob, While I can understand where you are coming from when you say many people feel that mainframes are "dated", that doesn't drive the rdbms business. Perception of value and of the most suitable platform to run a database on is what drives customer investment. Many customers to this day still feel that the mainframe is the best place for apps that require the ultimate in security, availability, reliability, and performance. That is the reason that we still see growth on mainframe platforms. Larry E. Bob Jones wrote: >>>Let me be more clear, not just by todays standard, even by 90's standard, >>>Mainframe is dated. This is a well-known fact, not just my opinion. >> >>A well known fact? Based on what? So how come customers are still >>investing on this 'dated' platform. > > > Based on everything I have seen and heard. I have not met anybody who > honestly think Mainframe is not dated. Why are people still investing in a > dated platform? > It's like asking why people buy classic autos, even they are so expensive > and hard to maintain. There can be a number of reasons. Maybe they are > emotionally attached to the old stuff, or maybe they have not fully realized > the benefits of newer cars. > > But there is one important factor that doesn't apply to classic autos. That > is the cost of migration from mainframe. > > >>>DB2 is #3 in terms of ease-of-use, behind Oracle and SQL Server. Now >>>that's just my own experience. If you have read previous comments >>>carefully, it is really not that vague. >> >>Ah, finally *facts* change into *opinions* > > > Did I say this was a fact? Maybe to me it is a fact. > > >>I have used both Oracle and DB2 and I find DB2 a lot easier to use. >>Ok, I'll be fair , I have used DB2 a lot longer. > > > I have used Oracle as long as DB2 and I don't work for either IBM or Oracle. > >

> While I can understand where you are coming from when you say many people > feel that mainframes are "dated", that doesn't drive the rdbms business. I do feel sorry if this is how my message was interpretated. >Perception of value and of the most suitable platform to run a database on >is what drives customer investment. Many customers to this day still feel >that the mainframe is the best place for apps that require the ultimate in >security, availability, reliability, and performance. That is the reason >that we still see growth on mainframe platforms. > I agree it is just perceptions. Mainframe being the only place to get RAS is one of them. Funny you talked about performance. The cost/performance picture is not exactly pretty on mainframe, when compared to x86 or RISC platforms. Yes, there is growth in mainframe. In fact, there is growth in virtually all platforms. The unit sales per year for mainframe is measured in thousands, while other major server platforms are measured in millions.