Re: current informix white papers ?
A poster asked where to find up-to-date IBM white papers on Informix IDS high-availability features, since his company was considering moving to Oracle RAC/DataGuard and IBM's site only had dated material. The thread quickly turned into an Oracle-vs-Informix flame war. Useful content: pointers to the Cheetah2 open beta page (http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/informix/ids/open-beta.html) plus earlier posted white-paper links, and explanations that IDS's MACH11 suite (HDR, ER, SDS, RSS) covers HA, with the caveat that its secondaries were read-only at 11.10, unlike RAC. No single authoritative documentation source was agreed on.
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Floyd Wellershaus wrote: > My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using > RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. > I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has > the latest and greatest in HA software. > I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site > seems to have some very dated stuff. > Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical > type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? > > Thanks, > floyd Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with a similar capability. C'est dommage. I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan said: > Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using >> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. >> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has >> the latest and greatest in HA software. >> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site >> seems to have some very dated stuff. >> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >> >> Thanks, >> floyd > > Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with > a similar capability. C'est dommage. > > I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you > are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it. Yes, you'd clearly be much better off with a highly scalable, easy to implement solution like Oracle RAC. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message news:1204271577.683072@bubbleator.drizzle.com... > Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using >> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. >> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has the >> latest and greatest in HA software. >> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site >> seems to have some very dated stuff. >> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >> Thanks, >> floyd > > Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with > a similar capability. C'est dommage. > > I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you > are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it. Well that's not true, is it? Informix does already have powerful, viable, proven technology for High-Availability (Informix HDR for example). However it is true to say that this solution is not yet, in pre-v11 releases, "distributed" in the way that Oracle RAC is. I do agree with Daniel's comments that one wouldn't be wanting to look at a beta version of *any* product for HA required right now.
DA Morgan wrote: > Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using >> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. >> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has >> the latest and greatest in HA software. >> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's >> site seems to have some very dated stuff. >> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >> >> Thanks, >> floyd > > Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with > a similar capability. C'est dommage. > > I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you > are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it. DA - you missed my point. I guess that's expected from you since you have repeatedly demonstrated a rather feeble intellect. Floyd already mentioned that he knew Cheetah (the previous release) had a lot of new HA capacity. Also several folks had already pointed out links to current white papers. I suggested that he also look at the beta for the upcoming release because it has a whole bunch of additional HA functionality and he was asking for information on new IDS HA functionality.
DA Morgan wrote: > Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has >> the latest and greatest in HA software. >> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >> >> Thanks, >> floyd > > I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you > are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it. I guess I should be so hard on you Dan - after all I'm kind and gentle to dumb animals. Also you have given me the opportunity to mention the Cheetah2 open beta again. For anyone that is interested, the site to join the Cheetah2 open beta is at http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/informix/ids/open-beta.html
DA Morgan wrote: > Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using >> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. >> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has >> the latest and greatest in HA software. >> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's >> site seems to have some very dated stuff. >> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >> >> Thanks, >> floyd > > Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with > a similar capability. C'est dommage. Can you explain us why?... Oh... and do not forget the OP motivation... High availability... Thanks. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
DA Morgan wrote: > Floyd Wellershaus wrote: > >> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using >> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. >> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has >> the latest and greatest in HA software. >> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site >> seems to have some very dated stuff. >> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >> >> Thanks, >> floyd >> > > Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with > a similar capability. C'est dommage. > > I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you > are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it. > This brief rant would be sad if you even had an inkling about what you are writing about. If I didn't actually suspect that you were a shill for IBM IMS rather than for the fat O, I wouldn't bother to respond. Even so, I normally don't. First, you are correct, as currently released IDS does not have all of the functionality of Oracle's RAC. Personally I don't see that as any loss as I don't see clusters as any kind of HA solution at all. If something takes out my data center RAC is not going to save the business. At best cluster failover is a PART of an HA solution and the only useful thing that RAC provides on top of that is some load balancing possibly less expensive capacity upgrade. Though if the thing actually scaled well that part would work SO much better. However, putting all of that aside, as Madison said, check out the IDS Cheetah2 Beta on that front. IDS doesn't make coffee either, something far more important and close to my heart than RAC! But then it's not meant to make coffee. What it does provide, with HDR, ER, SDSS, and RSS - the whole MACH11 suite - is a comprehensive set of solutions to provide TRUE HA and not just high availability but constant availability and infinitely configurable and dynamic load balancing. And IDS does this BETTER than any alternative technology. Cheetah2 extends that as, likely, will Cheetah3 when it comes along. Now, Morgan, please, lose the address of this newsgroup. Art S. Kagel Oninit =========================================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php ===========================================================================================
Fernando Nunes wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: > >> Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >> >>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using >>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution. >>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has >>> the latest and greatest in HA software. >>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's >>> site seems to have some very dated stuff. >>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical >>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> floyd >>> >> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with >> a similar capability. C'est dommage. >> > > Can you explain us why?... > Oh... and do not forget the OP motivation... High availability... > > Daniel's pointing to the fact that IDS 11.10's MACH11 technology implementation provides only READ-ONLY service from the SDS secondaries. Other than that, a dubious advantage since using RAC secondaries in read-write configurations reduces the cluster's scalability significantly, there's nothing useful in RAC that's not in MACH11. Art S. Kagel Oninit =========================================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php ===========================================================================================
Art S. Kagel (Oninit) wrote: > Daniel's pointing to the fact that IDS 11.10's MACH11 technology > implementation provides only READ-ONLY service from the SDS > secondaries. Other than that, a dubious advantage since using RAC > secondaries in read-write configurations reduces the cluster's > scalability significantly, there's nothing useful in RAC that's not in > MACH11. Don't get me wrong, but I will prefer to see DA Morgan's answer... Undoubtedly he will search the net in search for arguments. The last time I bother to discuss something with him he found a lot of interesting stuff... Unfortunately most of it was easily usable to show that he was wrong (from prices to technical stuff) so he kept jumping from subject to subject, constantly searching for something right to say ( whether or not it was relevant to the original post). So, although completely useless, because he will not stop, it's kind of fun from time to time... And since I'm just doing some work related to IDS (and replication by the way), it would be very interesting to me at this time... As for the original post, this reminds me another flame a while ago... If someone is interested in moving to Oracle because of HA, someone should really find out what is really motivating them... Pay more and suffer a migration to gain nothing that eases their pain... sounds completely wrong... And again... Checking an open beta does not mean we are saying them to move into a non available product... It just means that the new version will have significant changes in this area. We are all bound to non-disclosure agreements but it's very easy to find out what it is... Every version have a place where we can see the changes... and a beta version is not an exception :) Regards, -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...