Re: Is IBM actually doing something with IDS?

Aw shucks Timmy. You're off on your "I want a free copy of IDS" bandwagon again. As someone already pointed out to your pointly little head that there is a version that you could use for "free" and thats that one on the IIUG site. Or you could pay $2,000 USD and become an IBM BP and get access to *all* of IBM's SWG's products and support. Now someone told me that there was even a lower price, but I hadn't looked in to it. Note: This is for internal use only and not for production... If you *were* a serious developer, then it woudl be a good deal... But maybe you didn't like my RoR adaptor request? RoR = Ruby on Rails. (Not sure if you knew that) RoR has the potential to help reduce the time of development and allows the developer to focus on the business logic instead of the nuts and bolts. But rather than focus on the positives, you just want to whine. A "free" version doesn't buy IBM anything. > >So, is it logically Mikey the Moron? > >;-) > >The funny thing is I know you _wanted_ to say something >relevant but just couldn't muster something intelligent or >even relevant. But it sounded good when you had that third >or fourth drink didn't it? > > > > >Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > An RoR adaptor? :-P > > > > Seriously... > > > > Timmy the Tool and DA Maroon haven't a clue. > > > > The funny thing is that if you discount the swapping of customers. > > (ie customer X defected from this product while customer Y defected to > > *that* product....) > > You'll find that both IBM and Oracle will increase their markets by a > > large percentage of growth. > > It would be interesting to see if either company didn't increase their > > markets by 15-20%. > > Meaning that the markets for databases continues to grow. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Informix-list mailing list >Informix-list@iiug.org >http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail'award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507

Shucks Mikey, I'm really disappointed in you. I wanted to hear how you're coping with all the cicadas up there in Chicago... instead you're out hawking IBM Software... When did you become a shill for IBM? Do u get a commish? Since you walked your wares past me, I'll take a closer look at the BP Program. But I'm not sure I want to pay $2000 for membership... do they have a cheaper program for poor people like me? I don't got much money, so it's got to be a good deal. Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > Aw shucks Timmy. > > You're off on your "I want a free copy of IDS" bandwagon again. > > As someone already pointed out to your pointly little head that there is > a version that you could use for "free" and thats that one on the IIUG > site. > > Or you could pay $2,000 USD and become an IBM BP and get access to *all* > of IBM's SWG's products and support. Now someone told me that there was > even a lower price, but I hadn't looked in to it. Note: This is for > internal use only and not for production... > > If you *were* a serious developer, then it woudl be a good deal... > > But maybe you didn't like my RoR adaptor request? > RoR = Ruby on Rails. (Not sure if you knew that) > > RoR has the potential to help reduce the time of development and allows > the developer to focus on the business logic instead of the nuts and bolts. > > But rather than focus on the positives, you just want to whine. > > A "free" version doesn't buy IBM anything. > > > >> >> So, is it logically Mikey the Moron? >> >> ;-) >> >> The funny thing is I know you _wanted_ to say something >> relevant but just couldn't muster something intelligent or >> even relevant. But it sounded good when you had that third >> or fourth drink didn't it? >> >> >> >> >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> > An RoR adaptor? :-P >> > >> > Seriously... >> > >> > Timmy the Tool and DA Maroon haven't a clue. >> > >> > The funny thing is that if you discount the swapping of customers. >> > (ie customer X defected from this product while customer Y defected to >> > *that* product....) >> > You'll find that both IBM and Oracle will increase their markets by a >> > large percentage of growth. >> > It would be interesting to see if either company didn't increase their >> > markets by 15-20%. >> > Meaning that the markets for databases continues to grow. >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Informix-list mailing list >> Informix-list@iiug.org >> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail'award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > >

> >Shucks Mikey, > >I'm really disappointed in you. I wanted to hear how you're >coping with all the cicadas up there in Chicago... instead >you're out hawking IBM Software... > We have these birds, you know Seagulls? They seem to think that cicadas make a tasty treat so they are flying in off the lake to the burbs for a little lunch. >When did you become a shill for IBM? Do u get a commish? > Do you want my old IBM Serial number? ;-) I serious don't know how my response is being a shill for IBM. Any maroon knows that a company has to make money in order to stay in business. And of course TANSTAAFL applies. You want something that will not happen. You'll have to severly cripple IDS so that the "free" version doesn't impact their license revenue. And what good is that? >Since you walked your wares past me, I'll take a closer look >at the BP Program. But I'm not sure I want to pay $2000 for >membership... do they have a cheaper program for poor people >like me? I don't got much money, so it's got to be a good deal. > Well that's what you get for not being a good consultant. ;-) The $2,000 USD is for all of SWG's products and yes, there may be a cheaper option. But $2K is an excellent bargin if you want to get your hands on Rational's products as well as IDS. I believe it includes support (meaning you can log support calls rather than rely on getting your intel here and you get updates too.) BTW, that's the annual fee. The other option is to bribe your local IBM tech rep with a nice steak dinner. You'll get a copy of the software, but no support and no upgrades. YMMV _________________________________________________________________ Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/

The value package is $2000 and gives you access to around $100 000 of software and support (not just Informix) The software can be used for customer demonstartion and evaluation, proof of concept There is also the "software access" option which is less than $1000. i am less familiar with this progam and what is included www.ibm.com/partnerworld

"scottishpoet" <dryburghj@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1180710623.998025.270830@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > The value package is $2000 and gives you access to around $100 000 of > software and support (not just Informix) > Are you sure that the "Value Package" gives access to technical support? I'm not convinced that it does now. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though. As you brought the subject up, and although I'm an IBM Premier Business Partner, I *never* take this out on principle. I really do think it should be a freebie for serious partners or ISVs. US$2,000 is quite a lot of money to all but the very biggest of resellers, who already benefit the most from IBMs largesse. Also, it's not US$2,000 because IBM uses a bizarre conversion rate that last pertained in the 1990s of US$1.5-ish to the pound, so we in England-land are expected to pay 2000*2/1.5 = approx US$2,700. As an at best occasional reseller of Microsoft products I pay about '170 (US$320) and get a whole host of useful software and licences for running my business and evaluation. I suppose it might be a slightly unfair in comparison in that, generally, Microsoft is likely to have more software esential to any SMB, but it is still a stark contrast. So although I disagree with most of what The Tool says, on this particular subject - the contention that IBM's partner programme is markedly less generous than other vendors' - is spot on.

Well, thanks Neil for throwing one my way... :-) I took Mikey's comments to heart, and went to the partner signup. You'll be interested to note that they don't show Informix anywhere for a choice on services that I would offer. They show "DB2 Information Management", so even if I do pop for the $2000, ( which I'm not so sure I will ) I'm not sure I'd be represented fairly, having to once again be under the thumb of DB2. I had also been thinking about your comments regarding Microsoft. You are spot on, and unfortunately, businesses take the path of least resistance. So, they may indeed load up SQL-Server out of curiosity, and availability--it's practically dumped in your lap depending on your subscription. It would be nice if there was a true developer program, and I'd even be willing to pay for a subscription, if it weren't $2000, or even $1000, more like $99/year. I have a lot of other software to deal with, not only databases, so even $99 adds to my cost. -t- Neil Truby wrote: > "scottishpoet" <dryburghj@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1180710623.998025.270830@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... >> The value package is $2000 and gives you access to around $100 000 of >> software and support (not just Informix) >> > > Are you sure that the "Value Package" gives access to technical support? > I'm not convinced that it does now. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though. > > As you brought the subject up, and although I'm an IBM Premier Business > Partner, I *never* take this out on principle. I really do think it should > be a freebie for serious partners or ISVs. US$2,000 is quite a lot of money > to all but the very biggest of resellers, who already benefit the most from > IBMs largesse. Also, it's not US$2,000 because IBM uses a bizarre > conversion rate that last pertained in the 1990s of US$1.5-ish to the pound, > so we in England-land are expected to pay 2000*2/1.5 = approx US$2,700. > > As an at best occasional reseller of Microsoft products I pay about '170 > (US$320) and get a whole host of useful software and licences for running my > business and evaluation. I suppose it might be a slightly unfair in > comparison in that, generally, Microsoft is likely to have more software > esential to any SMB, but it is still a stark contrast. > > So although I disagree with most of what The Tool says, on this particular > subject - the contention that IBM's partner programme is markedly less > generous than other vendors' - is spot on. > >

The partnerworld value package does include the ability to log technical support through the ESR tool PMRs are logged using you PartnerWorld ICN which starts with a letter rather than a number. IBM ill support "value package" development enviornment, will not provide production system support on that ICN

OK Mikey, I took my fruit peeler, and spun it around on my pointy little head and signed up as an IBM Partner. Whoo-Hoo! :-) I'm officially approved as partner--so far I guess--so now I can login and spend money. The lower price option is $795, but still a lot of cash and I'm not totally sure if I can download the real deal software or not... As you know I don't trust IBM so I'm very skeptical of what I get for the money. It's a lot of bread to pay for something and I'm not sure if I can get my money back if I don't like what they sell me. Here's the $795 offer... If somebody can confirm that I'd be able to get the real IDS then I might pop for the 'value package'. Value Package/Options IBM Software Access Option The purchase of the Software Access Option entitles active registered employees in your company's country enterprise access to the Software Access Catalog. Pricing information Highlights Ordering information Pricing information Annual fee' US$795 Buy now Highlights * The Software Access Catalog includes a wide variety of IBM software products for download at no additional charge or on CD for the cost of media plus shipping. * Products acquired through the Software Access Catalog may be used for demonstration, evaluation, commercial application development, testing and education purposes as specified in the PartnerWorld Software Usage Attachment (PWSWUA). Selected software may also be used to Run Your Business in your day-to-day Business Partner operations as specified in the PWSWUA. * Software products are available in multiple languages from Information Management, Lotus, Rational, Tivoli and WebSphere. * For more information, review our frequently asked questions. Ordering information * You must be the Authorized Profile Administrator for your company to order the Software Access Option. * An Authorized Profile Administrator must accept the IBM PartnerWorld Software Usage Attachment before the Software Access Catalog benefits will be available to you. Depending on your country of residence, you may be required to sign the Attachment in hardcopy format instead of electronic format. * Once purchased, the Software Access Option covers all locations in the company's country enterprise. * It may take up to two business days to process your online order. * The Software Access Option subscription expires 12 months after the PWSWUA is signed. * The IBM Software Access Option is available in most countries'. Buy now Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > Aw shucks Timmy. > > You're off on your "I want a free copy of IDS" bandwagon again. > > As someone already pointed out to your pointly little head that there is > a version that you could use for "free" and thats that one on the IIUG > site. > > Or you could pay $2,000 USD and become an IBM BP and get access to *all* > of IBM's SWG's products and support. Now someone told me that there was > even a lower price, but I hadn't looked in to it. Note: This is for > internal use only and not for production... > > If you *were* a serious developer, then it woudl be a good deal... > > But maybe you didn't like my RoR adaptor request? > RoR = Ruby on Rails. (Not sure if you knew that) > > RoR has the potential to help reduce the time of development and allows > the developer to focus on the business logic instead of the nuts and bolts. > > But rather than focus on the positives, you just want to whine. > > A "free" version doesn't buy IBM anything. > > > >> >> So, is it logically Mikey the Moron? >> >> ;-) >> >> The funny thing is I know you _wanted_ to say something >> relevant but just couldn't muster something intelligent or >> even relevant. But it sounded good when you had that third >> or fourth drink didn't it? >> >> >> >> >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> > An RoR adaptor? :-P >> > >> > Seriously... >> > >> > Timmy the Tool and DA Maroon haven't a clue. >> > >> > The funny thing is that if you discount the swapping of customers. >> > (ie customer X defected from this product while customer Y defected to >> > *that* product....) >> > You'll find that both IBM and Oracle will increase their markets by a >> > large percentage of growth. >> > It would be interesting to see if either company didn't increase their >> > markets by 15-20%. >> > Meaning that the markets for databases continues to grow. >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Informix-list mailing list >> Informix-list@iiug.org >> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail'award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > >

Yes Informix is in the Software Access catalog and is included The helpful people on the partnerworld helpline pointed me at : https://www6.software.ibm.com/sdfdl/v2/pwdown/public/pw4sw/misc/Xa.2/Xb.er43LUlyfsTycAVDxfnkuA/Xc.EMEA_Sample_List.pdf/Xd./Xf.Ltr./Xg.3902760/Xi.pwdown/XY.devtool/XZ.Jt9eNf2XjfsyzDJMXq9rMu-MoHc/EMEA_Sample_List.pdf This is a sample list for EMEA and amongst several hundred other products I do see IDS partnerworld helpline Contact information: US 1-800-426-9990 UK +44 (0)1256 344500 and others http://www-1.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/cpw_index.html

Thanks poet! I noticed a lot of goodies in there. I also side-tracked my way over to the certification stuff, but couldn't help but notice how DB2 and Informix are completely muddled together into once again, under the DB2 thumb. ( Rolling Stones music please... UNDER MY THUMB! ) http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/08002105.shtml Looks like IBM doesn't have any competency in their certification programs either. I am totally baffled by this lack of looking at the comprehensive, 'big picture' for Informix. It's as if nobody is really doing much if anything for the Informix track. Nice to know the engine is going places, but they may be going nowhere! Sad.... very sad... I don't know if I'm ready to gamble on plopping down $800 for access to software that may or may not have a market. I really have to think about this for a spell before jumping in any further... -t- scottishpoet wrote: > Yes Informix is in the Software Access catalog and is included > > The helpful people on the partnerworld helpline pointed me at : > > https://www6.software.ibm.com/sdfdl/v2/pwdown/public/pw4sw/misc/Xa.2/Xb.er43LUlyfsTycAVDxfnkuA/Xc.EMEA_Sample_List.pdf/Xd./Xf.Ltr./Xg.3902760/Xi.pwdown/XY.devtool/XZ.Jt9eNf2XjfsyzDJMXq9rMu-MoHc/EMEA_Sample_List.pdf > > This is a sample list for EMEA and amongst several hundred other > products I do see IDS > > partnerworld helpline > > Contact information: > > US > 1-800-426-9990 > > UK > +44 (0)1256 344500 > > > and others > > http://www-1.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/cpw_index.html > >

tool that link is the DB2 V9 system admin test the informix equivalent is also available IDS 10 http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/ixsedyn10.shtml IDS 11 http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/30001104.shtml IDS 9 http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/ixseisa9.shtml IDS 7 http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/ixseisa7.shtml

On Jun 2, 1:44 am, Tool <t...@thetool.com> wrote: > Thanks poet! > > I noticed a lot of goodies in there. > .... > Sad.... very sad... I don't know if I'm ready to gamble on > plopping down $800 for access to software that may or may > not have a market. I really have to think about this for a > spell before jumping in any further... > > -t- > just to be clear the $800 doesn't just give you access to IDS software but to be all the "goodies" you saw in there it is $800 for access to the lot, not $800 per good so for if you want to use tivoli and websphere and rational with IDS it is all there