RE: Kansas Highlights
Not a technical thread: it's a venue debate about the IIUG user conference being held in Lenexa/Overland Park, Kansas rather than a bigger destination like Las Vegas. Participants traded jokes and complaints about Kansas being dull, Vegas being overused, and the lack of direct flights for European attendees. The nearest thing to a resolution: Art Kagel explained the site was picked deliberately so attendees get access to IBM Informix development staff (more presenters and informal contact), and an IIUG board member noted KC is a two-million-person metro with plenty to do. No technical problem or fix is discussed.
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I wonder why people are so "touchy" about Kansas... Do you really need to have Disneyland next to your Convention Center? Even IBM picked Las Vegas, and, to be honest, I'd rather have a week of learning in Kansas then fly the week-end to Vegas, than a week of learning in Las Vegas. The question is... Who is not going to the conference BECAUSE it is in Kansas? jgp -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Jack Parker Sent: samedi 5 janvier 2008 01:16 To: Zachi; informix-list@iiug.org Subject: RE: Kansas Highlights Don't confuse Arkansas with Kansas, or DeepThroat here with Chuck Norris. Although, reading these notes I was on the one hand amused and on the other hand offended, InDeep hit a number of good points here. Full disclosure: my mother and my namesake (died in WWII) are from Kansas. j. -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org]On Behalf Of Zachi Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:45 PM To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: Kansas Highlights On Jan 4, 2:01 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > Very strange topic here in c.d.i. > > Maybe on the more positive side for those of you ignorant Europeans that > will be coming to America, you'll get to see the very heartland of America. > > Midwesterners are hard-working, many are descendants from Europeans who fled > Europe for a variety of reasons. As boring as Kansas is, it would indeed > be an education for Europeans who have never seen America where there are > smaller towns and villages, away from the larger cities. You will find > a part of America with open doors for visitors from other countries, eager > to offer and share their lives with you, something you won't find in other > parts of the country. As much as Kansas is boring to the extreme, on > balance you will find the best of Americans there, people who think fondly > of Europe and their lineage from your first-world. Come to America with > an open mind and open heart and you will be received the same way. Along > the way you will learn something about yourself in the process. Many > Americans gave their lives for Europe, never to return to America alive, > something we never forget, and neither should you. > I didn't know Mike Huckabee was writing on C.D.I. :-) _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
Well, if you're simply going to training, then you should just have it available on-line, and then you save the whole expense of going anywhere physically. Then you don't even have to socialize and be a human, you can be an uber-geek, sip cola, eat junk food, and nobody will be the wiser. But the point to having conferences is not just about the training and the conference, but also where it's located. Kansas is about as boring as it gets, and there ain't much goin' on there other than an endless supply of farmland and nice people. I have enough trouble getting time off for local events, and nobody I know would be "excited" about a conference in Kansas, it just isn't a conference choice, unless it's for regional event or company like vacuum cleaner salesmen, or maybe an insurance company recognizing their salesman of the year. Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same time and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching the grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's no reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico would be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM there too. Jean Georges Perrin wrote: > I wonder why people are so "touchy" about Kansas... > > Do you really need to have Disneyland next to your Convention Center? Even > IBM picked Las Vegas, and, to be honest, I'd rather have a week of learning > in Kansas then fly the week-end to Vegas, than a week of learning in Las > Vegas. > > The question is... > > Who is not going to the conference BECAUSE it is in Kansas? > > jgp >
InDeep said: > Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many > ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional > opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be > good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same > time > and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching > the > grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's > no > reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico > would > be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM > there too. There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > InDeep said: > >> Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many >> ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional >> opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be >> good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same >> time >> and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching >> the >> grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's >> no >> reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico >> would >> be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM >> there too. > > There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? Cheers Paul
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > InDeep said: > >> Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many >> ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional >> opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be >> good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same >> time >> and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching >> the >> grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's >> no >> reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico >> would >> be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM >> there too. > > There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? Cheers Paul
Paul Watson said: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> InDeep said: >> >>> Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in >>> many >>> ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of >>> promotional >>> opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would >>> be >>> good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the >>> same >>> time >>> and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for >>> watching >>> the >>> grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course >>> there's >>> no >>> reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe >>> Mexico >>> would >>> be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's >>> WARM >>> there too. >> >> There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. > > When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? I'm feeling generous. :o) -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > InDeep said: > >> Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many >> ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional >> opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be >> good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same >> time >> and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching >> the >> grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's >> no >> reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico >> would >> be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM >> there too. > > There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. > Just about every major tech venue has been put on at Vegas. Not that it's the only place to put on a conference. But I just can't imagine booking a flight to Kansas City for a conference of any kind, it's just not something I would make time for, especially since getting time off is already a challenge. I have to look at something optional like a tech conference as also a mini-vacation, so Vegas would still be more desirable than Kansas City. ( geez, who picked that one? ) BTW If you think Vegas is a shithole, you should drive through El Paso Texas, now THERE is a shithole.
InDeep wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >> InDeep said: >> >> >>> Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many >>> ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional >>> opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be >>> good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same >>> time >>> and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching >>> the >>> grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's >>> no >>> reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico >>> would >>> be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM >>> there too. >>> >> There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. >> >> > > Just about every major tech venue has been put on at Vegas. Not that it's the > only place to put on a conference. But I just can't imagine booking a flight to > Kansas City for a conference of any kind, it's just not something I would make > time for, especially since getting time off is already a challenge. I have to > look at something optional like a tech conference as also a mini-vacation, so > Vegas would still be more desirable than Kansas City. ( geez, who picked that one? ) > > BTW If you think Vegas is a shithole, you should drive through El Paso Texas, > now THERE is a shithole. > > Lenexa KS was chosen, as has already been made clear, in order to give us all access to the IBM Informix development staff. This way they can be enticed not only to present but to drop by for more informal time with us. Because of the choice of location we're getting presentations from IBM people beyond the usual (admittedly excellent) crew. More contact between us users and the developers can only result in a more responsive product development process and I'm all for it. Hey, last time I was consulting (circa 1991) I had a client in a small town in Iowa where, according to the manager of the only hotel, the only entertainment on a weeknight was sitting in one of the 12 or 13 bars discussing whether there were more bars or churches on Main Street (the only street BTW) that month and the only entertainment on the weekend was sitting in one of the 12 or 13 churches discussing ... well, you get the idea. Compared to that Overland KS is a mecca of interest worth beholding. Art S. Kagel Oninit
"Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@jgp.net> wrote in message news:mailman.218.1199698055.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... >I wonder why people are so "touchy" about Kansas... > > Do you really need to have Disneyland next to your Convention Center? Even > IBM picked Las Vegas, and, to be honest, I'd rather have a week of > learning > in Kansas then fly the week-end to Vegas, than a week of learning in Las > Vegas. > > The question is... > > Who is not going to the conference BECAUSE it is in Kansas? I'm going despite it being in Kansas City. I have nothing against the place - I've never been, and I certainly have no desire to go to Las Vegas again - but I would like to have been going to a major US city: that is, one to which I could have flown directly.
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>> There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. >> When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? > > I'm feeling generous. :o) And it is just a short drive to Leavenworth. http://www.lvarea.com/data/usp_info.htm What could be more charming? -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
If tech conferences are considered vacations... someone needs to get a life :) On Jan 7, 11:18 am, DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org> wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >>> There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. > >> When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? > > > I'm feeling generous. :o) > > And it is just a short drive to Leavenworth.http://www.lvarea.com/data/usp_info.htm > What could be more charming? > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > University of Washington > damor...@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
The place for everbody saying "Oracle" to loud? regards, Joerg Volz ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- IT Handel und Beratung Jörg Volz Bernhard-Früh-Strasse 7 77855 Achern GERMANY SteuerNr: 01220/17000 Tel: +49 (0) 7841-681651 Fax: +49 (0) 7841-681654 Mobil: +49 (0) 170-2989757 http://www.it-volz.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org > [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of DA Morgan > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:18 PM > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Kansas Highlights > > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > > >>> There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. > >> When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? > > > > I'm feeling generous. :o) > > And it is just a short drive to Leavenworth. > http://www.lvarea.com/data/usp_info.htm > What could be more charming? > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > University of Washington > damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > IT Handel und Beratung Jörg Volz Bernhard-Früh-Str. 7 77855 Achern GERMANY Tel: 07841-681651 Fax: 07841-681654 Mobil: 0170-2989757 Ust-ID: DE201383541 http://www.it-volz.de
<cutting> > > BTW If you think Vegas is a shithole, you should drive through El Paso > Texas, > now THERE is a shithole. > I've been to MassesChewShit - now that is the worse place in the US Cheers Paul
DA Morgan wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >>>> There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. >>> When did it get upgraded to a Shithole ? >> >> I'm feeling generous. :o) > > And it is just a short drive to Leavenworth. > http://www.lvarea.com/data/usp_info.htm > What could be more charming? Maybe you could book a room there, I'm sure a lot of us would help :) Cheers Paul
> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:43:35 -0600 [SNIP]> From: paul@oninit.com > Subject: Re: Kansas Highlights > To: informix-list@iiug.org > [SNIP] Well if you talk to a certain IBMer named Karl, I'm sure he could find you some places that you would normally avoid. ;-) At least that's what he said when he was *single* ;-) The point being... If you know who to ask, you can make *any* town you visit, an adventure. ;-) Oh and the worst thing about Vegas? Try getting out of there at the end of the conference. Can you say security check through nightmare? Its worth the price of the upgrade to first class just to avoid the long, long lines. _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008
Come on folks. We are not talking about "Great Bend" Kansas, out in the middle of the prairies! Lenexa and Overland Park are suburbs of Kansas City, Missouri - which is a metropolitan area of about 2 million people. There ARE things to do in KC including museums, Art Galleries, Shopping and great restaurants. http://www.visitkc.com/ Don't be so narrow minded. I personally, have been to WAY too many tech conferences in Las Vegas and don't care if I ever go back. On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:14:23 -0800, InDeep wrote > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > > InDeep said: > > > >> Las Vegas would be fun, and a lot more memorable than Kansas, and in many > >> ways probably cheaper than Kansas simply because of a lot of promotional > >> opportunities there. In the future, if you time it right, Vegas would be > >> good for techies simply because other tech venues can happen at the same > >> time > >> and allow you to slip over to other events. Kansas is great for watching > >> the > >> grass grow, apples turning brown, that kind of thing. Of course there's > >> no > >> reason why you can't have it somewhere else outside the US, maybe Mexico > >> would > >> be good too, lots of nice resorts with cheap accommodations and it's WARM > >> there too. > > > > There's only one problem with Las Vegas: it's a shithole. > > > > Just about every major tech venue has been put on at Vegas. Not > that it's the only place to put on a conference. But I just can't > imagine booking a flight to Kansas City for a conference of any kind, > it's just not something I would make time for, especially since > getting time off is already a challenge. I have to look at > something optional like a tech conference as also a mini-vacation, > so Vegas would still be more desirable than Kansas City. ( geez, who > picked that one? ) > > BTW If you think Vegas is a shithole, you should drive through El > Paso Texas, now THERE is a shithole. > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list Cindy Lichtenauer International Informix User Group - Board of Directors http://www.iiug.org E-mail: cindy@iiug.org