FW: IDS to DB2 conversion
Not a technical support thread but a discussion/debate about IBM's Informix-to-DB2 migration story. An IBM/IIUG-side poster argued that some large customers (Home Depot, Sears, Wal-Mart) had migrated, that DB2 was absorbing IDS/XPS/RedBrick features, and pointed to the Informix product line and strategy update for details. Others pushed back, asking why such successes weren't publicised, noting only a couple of known cases and that the migration toolkit was still in beta after three years. The exchange quickly degenerated into banter; no technical problem is solved and no resolution is recorded.
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OTC and all, I'd just suggest that we try to be more factual so all of us can learn without having to dodge through the humorous and less humorous banter. We all know that DB2 has not been adopted en-masse by Informix users. However there are accounts - large ones - where this has happened: Home Depot, Sears and Walmart to name some. That some companies have had difficulties migrating application suites from IDS to DB2, it is a fact. But any database migration is tough and often the expertise required to accomplish it underestimated. IBM has said that it continues to work on bringing IDS, XPS and RedBrick features into DB2. That isn't easy work either and it takes time. I'd suggest referring to the latest version of "IBM Informix Product Line and Strategy Update" http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/informix/pubs/portfolio/. And if you want more detail on the DB2 plan, work with IIUG to obtain the specifics. Fred -----Original Message----- From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Obnoxio The Clown Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:38 AM To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: RE: IDS to DB2 conversion Hamilton, Jerry wrote: > Here's my take, poor spelling and all... > > When I was with the IIUG it seemed like I was more exposed to a lot of > good > information about the two products. Now that I'm on the *outside*, I hear > and see very little. So now I feel everyone's frustration. I don't care > if either product has great marketing, I and my management team, would > like to > be more informed about the direction and status of both. We've had other > issues with PeopleSoft and IBM has done a descent job of building a > relationship there. It's been 3 years and things like the migration tool > kit is just now beta??? So even if I like DB2 they don't give me an easy > when to migrate to it???? > > I say continue this and other threads and get the IIUG involved... Mr > Litel seems to be getting what he wants out of IBM... OK, but regarding more important matters, should we kill this thread or not? :o) sending to informix-list
Federico (Fred) Hubbard wrote: > OTC and all, I'd just suggest that we try to be more factual so all of us > can learn without having to dodge through the humorous and less humorous > banter. > > We all know that DB2 has not been adopted en-masse by Informix users. > However there are accounts - large ones - where this has happened: Home > Depot, Sears and Walmart to name some. Oh? How come no-one is hearing about them? I'd have thought IBM would be shouting from the rooftops about successful migrations where DB2 was trouncing IDS. > That some companies have had difficulties migrating application suites > from IDS to DB2, it is a fact. But any database migration is tough and > often the expertise required to accomplish it underestimated. I can't argue with that. :o) > IBM has said that it continues to work on bringing IDS, XPS and RedBrick > features into DB2. That isn't easy work either and it takes time. I'd > suggest referring to the latest version of "IBM Informix Product Line and > Strategy Update" > http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/informix/pubs/portfolio/. And if you > want more detail on the DB2 plan, work with IIUG to obtain the specifics. Oh. Am I not allowed to ask IBM direct? -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ''' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche
"Federico (Fred) Hubbard" <fghubbard@iiug.org> wrote in message news:bvrhpk$pn7$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > > OTC and all, I'd just suggest that we try to be more factual so all of us > can learn without having to dodge through the humorous and less humorous > banter. > > We all know that DB2 has not been adopted en-masse by Informix users. > However there are accounts - large ones - where this has happened: Home > Depot, Sears and Walmart to name some. Fred, Obnoxio raises a good point. Why are we not seeing these successes trumpted from the roof-tops? Instead, all we see is (correct me if I'm wrong) a minor US university, and a company in Belgium some people think might be converting too.
Neil Truby wrote: > "Federico (Fred) Hubbard" <fghubbard@iiug.org> wrote in message > news:bvrhpk$pn7$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... >> >> OTC and all, I'd just suggest that we try to be more factual so all of us >> can learn without having to dodge through the humorous and less humorous >> banter. >> >> We all know that DB2 has not been adopted en-masse by Informix users. >> However there are accounts - large ones - where this has happened: Home >> Depot, Sears and Walmart to name some. > > Fred, Obnoxio raises a good point. Can I retract my post then, please? I wouldn't want anyone to think I ever said anything useful. -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ''' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche
"Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bvrs05$vfqon$2@ID-64669.news.uni-berlin.de... > Neil Truby wrote: > Can I retract my post then, please? I wouldn't want anyone to think I ever > said anything useful. Don't worry. Even a stopped clock is right twice every 24 hours.
Neil Truby wrote: > "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:bvrs05$vfqon$2@ID-64669.news.uni-berlin.de... >> Neil Truby wrote: > >> Can I retract my post then, please? I wouldn't want anyone to think I >> ever said anything useful. > > Don't worry. > Even a stopped clock is right twice every 24 hours. ... unless it's a stopped digital clock. -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche
> I wouldn't want anyone to think I ever > said anything useful. > Not a problem. In fact, I've always read your posts with a well tuned degree of floccinaucinihilipilification. Finally. Phew. Hey Pedantic,chew on this one.
Mark Townsend wrote: > > I wouldn't want anyone to think I ever >> said anything useful. >> > > Not a problem. In fact, I've always read your posts with a well tuned > degree of floccinaucinihilipilification. If your judgement mattered to me, I'd be upset. Luckily, however, ... > Finally. Phew. Hey Pedantic,chew on this one. -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche
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