Re: Is IBM actually doing something with IDS?

> >Serge Rielau wrote: > > DA Morgan wrote: > >> Serge Rielau wrote: > >>> DA Morgan wrote: > >>>> Jack Parker wrote: [SNIP] >I've never written the word "professor" or misrepresented what I teach. >But it does seem that this thread has exposed a rather pronounced >insecurity at IBM because you've been putting a lot of energy into >doing everything other than giving these folks an honest answer to an >honest question: "Is IBM actually doing something with IDS." > >I think they mean other than feeding them into the program I teach. >To paraphrase an American hamburger chain's commercial: "Where's the beef?" Daniel, I thik that the point Serge is making is that you come here and puff out your chest and imply that you're teaching a college level course at a major university on databases and that they use Oracle. When reality is that you're a guest lecturer teaching a CE course that has no real value other than a little piece of paper you can hang on your cubicle wall or list as a CE course on your resume. This is different from teaching a course for either undergraduate or graduate credits towards a diploma. To put this in perspective, I took a CE course at MIT many moons ago. It was taught by a professor on MIT's Sloan School's faculty. Meaning a real professor. (Actually there were two professors teaching the week long course.) While this was a CE course and not for college credit, it was a very difficult class, one which reminded me why I hated my Diff EQ class and that after 8 years of not using Diff EQs, my math skills had gone soft. ;-) With respect to IBM's "insecurity", I think that only exists in your mind. IBM is IBM and there is no "insecurity" within the Borg collective. With respect to IBM doing something with IDS, that's a relative topic for discussion. To put it in perspective, IBM has two databases* (DB2 and IDS). The truth is that IBM doesn't know how to handle two leading candidates within a single pillar. The borg tried to assimilate IDS, only to their frustration, IDS has its own strong personality and loyal customer base. How many times to we see or hear people lamenting that they are being forced to move off of Oracle to another product? Note: I hear stories about companies moving from Oracle to SQLServer. Yet I don't hear their DBAs crying.... Maybe they look at this as a positive career move? And somehow I get the impression that the only reason an Oracle DBA would cry about moving to IDS is that the odds are they will be made redundant. ;-) The point being that IDS has a *loyal* following for a reason. They cry because they're used to working with one of the best engineered databases on the market and now have to work on something else. Think about that point. _________________________________________________________________ Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > >> >> Serge Rielau wrote: >> > DA Morgan wrote: >> >> Serge Rielau wrote: >> >>> DA Morgan wrote: >> >>>> Jack Parker wrote: > [SNIP] >> I've never written the word "professor" or misrepresented what I teach. >> But it does seem that this thread has exposed a rather pronounced >> insecurity at IBM because you've been putting a lot of energy into >> doing everything other than giving these folks an honest answer to an >> honest question: "Is IBM actually doing something with IDS." >> >> I think they mean other than feeding them into the program I teach. >> To paraphrase an American hamburger chain's commercial: "Where's the >> beef?" > > Daniel, > > I thik that the point Serge is making is that you come here and puff out > your chest and imply that you're teaching a college level course at a > major university on databases and that they use Oracle. If that is the point then he didn't make it clearly and had he done so I'd have pointed him to the entrance requirement and the fact that my curriculum must be approved each year by the computer science faculty. While many extension courses, at many schools, are a form of continuing education for adults ... this one is not. And what Serge's attempt at distraction misses is that I teach one class, that is 3 hours per week, at the university. He is, methinks, intentionally ignoring what I do with the other ~57 hours per week that I work. He knows perfectly well no one pays a mortgage and puts two kids through university working 3 hours a week. But I don't think that is truly the point of his inquiry. The point is to distract from the subject. The issue at c.d.informix is not Dan Morgan ... it is Informix. And Serge is playing a game called "look over there." To avoid giving him the ability to do so further I am exiting this thread. Trash away if you wish but watch dice.com to see if it is actually making difference. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

>From: DA Morgan <damorgan@psoug.org> >Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Serge Rielau wrote: > >> > DA Morgan wrote: > >> >> Serge Rielau wrote: > >> >>> DA Morgan wrote: > >> >>>> Jack Parker wrote: > > [SNIP] > > Daniel, > > > > I thik that the point Serge is making is that you come here and puff out > > your chest and imply that you're teaching a college level course at a > > major university on databases and that they use Oracle. > >If that is the point then he didn't make it clearly and had he done so >I'd have pointed him to the entrance requirement and the fact that my >curriculum must be approved each year by the computer science faculty. >While many extension courses, at many schools, are a form of continuing > education for adults ... this one is not. I thought his point was made. Maybe I spent too much time within the beast and with Canadians? ;-) Of course your cirriculum must be approved by the faculty. No duh. If you were "teaching" how to use Microsoft Powerpoint, the cirriculum would still face the same procedure. After all its their name on the program not yours. (Note: At the bottom of the course description, it says that the teacher may be replaced... ;-) Oh and I didn't realize that you had to be over 18 to learn about Oracle or take a college level course. I was 16 when I took my college chemistry course, so I guess that John Carrol University now has to be reported for teaching chemistry to a minor? (After all I was in an "adult" class when I wasn't an "adult") :-P > >And what Serge's attempt at distraction misses is that I teach one >class, that is 3 hours per week, at the university. He is, methinks, >intentionally ignoring what I do with the other ~57 hours per week that >I work. He knows perfectly well no one pays a mortgage and puts two >kids through university working 3 hours a week. So Daniel, you're over billing your clients like most Oracle consultants. (And yes daniel I'm working with a couple of Oracle DBA consultants right now....) > >To avoid giving him the ability to do so further I am exiting this >thread. Trash away if you wish but watch dice.com to see if it is >actually making difference. Daniel, When you have one of the worlds largest retailers running their vast IDS implementation with a handful of DBAs, what does that tell you? Either the IDS DBAs have a better knowledge and skill set than 99% of the Oracle DBAs, or IDS is a much better designed product. That means that it takes 1 IDS DBA to keep a system up and running where Oracle takes 10 or more. Chew on that. And again, I make this point. We don't hear about Oracle DBAs complaining when their company is switching over to another Database. (And yes, there are Oracle to DB2 and Oracle to Microsoft conversions going on all the time.) Why is that? Could it be that they are either greatfull for switching to another product, or that they figure learning a new skill set is a career builder? Either way, when an IDS DBA has to switch, they are pissed. When you've had the best, why deal with the rest? Oh and its usually not the DBAs that decide which platform to use. Its usually someone up the food chain that doesn't know what the term DBA means. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm