Re: News Group vs Email Responses (was Re: DESC TABLE <table> does seem to word with ODBC)
--0-576219233-1080836605=:50176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When you put an answer on the newsgroup it is gatewayed to the informix-list mailing list. Many of us use that interface instead of the newsgroup. We think it is advantageous for many reasons. But if people use NOSPAM email addresses it makes it difficult for us to reply to the individual, and therfore we would rather not. None of us have any obligation to help you, but if you don't help us then we won't help you. And if you understand that ..... Malcolm Nebojsa Sevo <DELETE_mips@zg.htnet.hr> wrote: Now I am very confused. Only what I am expecting is if I put a question to NG then the answer will be on NG, too. I am not expecting answer via e-mail. nebojsa On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:54:30 +0100, Paul Watson wrote: >My attitude is someone asks for help and then makes my life difficult >when I try to reply - I don't need the hassle, not even a few clicks >worth. It's not business it's personal :-)) > >Data Goob wrote: >> >> Jonathan, >> >> Your reply as well as the rest of the arroganti here in c.d.i >> is the height of some of the worst attitude I think I've ever seen >> here. As much as I respect the technical excellence of you and >> some of the people here, to even suggest that it is too much to >> spend a few extra keyclicks on an email address really shows bad >> form. You would be better to have never taken a position that >> suggests such arrogance. Same for the rest of you, you're sounding >> a little too high and mighty to argue such a petty point. Arrogance >> is what put Informix out of business in the first place, do all >> yourselves a favor and leave it in Menlo Park. >> >> Shame on all of you. >> >> "Jonathan Leffler" wrote in message news:u%Qac.10277$Dv2.5165@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> > Paul Watson wrote: >> > > Speaking only for myself, in most cases I would not reply to the >> > > NG >> > > >> > > Nebojsa Sevo wrote: >> > > >> > >> I am not expecting answer via e-mail. I am looking for answer on >> > >> NG. Does it mean that you will not send the answer to NG, too? >> > >> >> > >>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:53 +0100, Paul Watson wrote: >> > >>>Some of us won't respond to an request from an 'no spam' account, >> > >>>you ask for help and don't give me an account to respond to!! >> > >>> >> > >>>Nebojsa Sevo wrote: >> > >>>>>"Art S. Kagel" a 'crit: >> > >>>>>> PS - While I appreciate the reasons, most folk will not >> > >>>>>> send you a reply if you use a no-spam address. >> > >>>> >> > >>>>What is so bad in using "no-spam" block? >> > >>>>I have a lot of problems when I open my e-mail adress in NG. >> > >> > Everybody needs to remember that about half (give or take 25%) of the >> > readership of this news group receives the messages by email, courtesy >> > of a bi-directional email-news bridge run by the Informix >> > International User Group. The people who read messages by email tend >> > to think in terms of email answers - and get stroppy when they can't >> > just reply to the person asking the question. The people who read the >> > messages via a regular NNTP news feed don't get so worried about it. >> > >> > Both systems have their merits and demerits. Spam blocking email >> > addresses are legitimate as a defense measure (not that I bother - but >> > the Swen virus is still a nuisance, albeit one that has subsided a lot >> > since its release back in September, or thereabouts). But people who >> > use spam-blocked email addresses have to expect that they won't get >> > answers from some people who might otherwise help. >> > >> > FWIW, if I think a question needs a private response but the reply >> > email is spam-blocked, I don't usually respond. If I'm willing to >> > give a public reply, no problem. Sorry - that's life; I have better >> > things to do than reverse spam-blocking. (Spam-blocked emails sent >> > direct to me go straight to /dev/null!) >> > >> > -- >> > Jonathan Leffler #include >> > Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com >> > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2003.04 -- http://dbi.perl.org/ >> > ------------------------------------ Remove spam block (DELETE_) to reply --0-576219233-1080836605=:50176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <DIV>When you put an answer on the newsgroup it is gatewayed to the informix-list mailing list. Many of us use that interface instead of the newsgroup. We think it is advantageous for many reasons. But if people use NOSPAM email addresses it makes it difficult for us to reply to the individual, and therfore we would rather not.</DIV> <DIV>None of us have any obligation to help you, but if you don't help us then we won't help you. And if you understand that .....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Malcolm<BR><BR><B><I>Nebojsa Sevo <DELETE_mips@zg.htnet.hr></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Now I am very confused. <BR>Only what I am expecting is if I put a question to NG then the answer will be on<BR>NG, too. I am not expecting answer via e-mail.<BR><BR>nebojsa<BR><BR>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:54:30 +0100, Paul Watson <PAUL@ONINIT.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>>My attitude is someone asks for help and then makes my life difficult<BR>>when I try to reply - I don't need the hassle, not even a few clicks<BR>>worth. It's not business it's personal :-))<BR>><BR>>Data Goob wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>> Jonathan,<BR>>> <BR>>> Your reply as well as the rest of the arroganti here in c.d.i<BR>>> is the height of some of the worst attitude I think I've ever seen<BR>>> here. As much as I respect the technical excellence of you and<BR>>> some of the people here, to even suggest that it is too much to<BR>>> spend a few extra keyclicks on an email address really shows bad<BR>>> form. You would be better to have never taken a position that<BR>>> suggests such arrogance. Same for the rest of you, you're sounding<BR>>> a little too high and mighty to argue such a petty point. Arrogance<BR>>> is what put Informix out of business in the first place, do all<BR>>> yourselves a favor and leave it in Menlo Park.<BR>>> <BR>>> Shame on all of you.<BR>>> <BR>>> "Jonathan Leffler" <JLEFFLER@EARTHLINK.NET>wrote in message news:u%Qac.10277$Dv2.5165@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...<BR>>> > Paul Watson wrote:<BR>>> > > Speaking only for myself, in most cases I would not reply to the<BR>>> > > NG<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > Nebojsa Sevo wrote:<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > >> I am not expecting answer via e-mail. I am looking for answer on<BR>>> > >> NG. Does it mean that you will not send the answer to NG, too?<BR>>> > >><BR>>> > >>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:53 +0100, Paul Watson <PAUL@ONINIT.COM>wrote:<BR>>> > >>>Some of us won't respond to an request from an 'no spam' account,<BR>>> > >>>you ask for help and don't give me an account to respond to!!<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> > >>>Nebojsa Sevo wrote:<BR>>> > >
First of all I want to say that I am not supporting Datagoob in his discussion and just want to learn something as I do lot of time in this NG. I read Jonathan's "FAQ's About comp.databases.informix and informix-list@iiug.org" and couldn't find enything about e-mail adress format. Quote: "The informix-list@iiug.org mailing list is a bi-directional gateway to the comp.databases.informix (c.d.i) UseNet news group." I don't want to argue about that any more and just want to clarify this. So, please answer me clearly: - if I put a question on the newsgroup and it is gatewayed to you through informix-list, will you answer to my e-mail adress or to informix-list? - if you answer to informix-list I realise that answer will be forward to c.d.i. and my e-mail adress is not important. Is it correct or not? nebojsa On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:23:25 +0100 (BST), malcolm weallans <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >--0-576219233-1080836605=:50176 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >When you put an answer on the newsgroup it is gatewayed to the informix-list mailing list. Many of us use that interface instead of the newsgroup. We think it is advantageous for many reasons. But if people use NOSPAM email addresses it makes it difficult for us to reply to the individual, and therfore we would rather not. >None of us have any obligation to help you, but if you don't help us then we won't help you. And if you understand that ..... > >Malcolm > >Nebojsa Sevo <DELETE_mips@zg.htnet.hr> wrote: >Now I am very confused. >Only what I am expecting is if I put a question to NG then the answer will be on >NG, too. I am not expecting answer via e-mail. > >nebojsa > >On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:54:30 +0100, Paul Watson >wrote: > >>My attitude is someone asks for help and then makes my life difficult >>when I try to reply - I don't need the hassle, not even a few clicks >>worth. It's not business it's personal :-)) >> >>Data Goob wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan, >>> >>> Your reply as well as the rest of the arroganti here in c.d.i >>> is the height of some of the worst attitude I think I've ever seen >>> here. As much as I respect the technical excellence of you and >>> some of the people here, to even suggest that it is too much to >>> spend a few extra keyclicks on an email address really shows bad >>> form. You would be better to have never taken a position that >>> suggests such arrogance. Same for the rest of you, you're sounding >>> a little too high and mighty to argue such a petty point. Arrogance >>> is what put Informix out of business in the first place, do all >>> yourselves a favor and leave it in Menlo Park. >>> >>> Shame on all of you. >>> >>> "Jonathan Leffler" wrote in message news:u%Qac.10277$Dv2.5165@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>> > Paul Watson wrote: >>> > > Speaking only for myself, in most cases I would not reply to the >>> > > NG >>> > > >>> > > Nebojsa Sevo wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> I am not expecting answer via e-mail. I am looking for answer on >>> > >> NG. Does it mean that you will not send the answer to NG, too? >>> > >> >>> > >>On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19:53 +0100, Paul Watson >wrote: >>> > >>>Some of us won't respond to an request from an 'no spam' account, >>> > >>>you ask for help and don't give me an account to respond to!! >>> > >>> >>> > >>>Nebojsa Sevo wrote: >>> > >>>>>"Art S. Kagel" a �crit: >>> > >>>>>> PS - While I appreciate the reasons, most folk will not >>> > >>>>>> send you a reply if you use a no-spam address. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>>What is so bad in using "no-spam" block? >>> > >>>>I have a lot of problems when I open my e-mail adress in NG. >>> > >>> > Everybody needs to remember that about half (give or take 25%) of the >>> > readership of this news group receives the messages by email, courtesy >>> > of a bi-directional email-news bridge run by the Informix >>> > International User Group. The people who read messages by email tend >>> > to think in terms of email answers - and get stroppy when they can't >>> > just reply to the person asking the question. The people who read the >>> > messages via a regular NNTP news feed don't get so worried about it. >>> > >>> > Both systems have their merits and demerits. Spam blocking email >>> > addresses are legitimate as a defense measure (not that I bother - but >>> > the Swen virus is still a nuisance, albeit one that has subsided a lot >>> > since its release back in September, or thereabouts). But people who >>> > use spam-blocked email addresses have to expect that they won't get >>> > answers from some people who might otherwise help. >>> > >>> > FWIW, if I think a question needs a private response but the reply >>> > email is spam-blocked, I don't usually respond. If I'm willing to >>> > give a public reply, no problem. Sorry - that's life; I have better >>> > things to do than reverse spam-blocking. (Spam-blocked emails sent >>> > direct to me go straight to /dev/null!) >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Jonathan Leffler #include >>> > Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com >>> > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2003.04 -- http://dbi.perl.org/ >>> > > >------------------------------------ >Remove spam block (DELETE_) to reply >--0-576219233-1080836605=:50176 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > ><DIV>When you put an answer on the newsgroup it is gatewayed to the informix-list mailing list. Many of us use that interface instead of the newsgroup. We think it is advantageous for many reasons. But if people use NOSPAM email addresses it makes it difficult for us to reply to the individual, and therfore we would rather not.</DIV> ><DIV>None of us have any obligation to help you, but if you don't help us then we won't help you. And if you understand that .....</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>Malcolm<BR><BR><B><I>Nebojsa Sevo <DELETE_mips@zg.htnet.hr></I></B> wrote:</DIV> ><BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Now I am very confused. <BR>Only what I am expecting is if I put a question to NG then the answer will be on<BR>NG, too. I am not expecting answer via e-mail.<BR><BR>nebojsa<BR><BR>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:54:30 +0100, Paul Watson <PAUL@ONINIT.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>>My attitude is someone asks for help and then makes my life difficult<BR>>when I try to reply - I don't need the hassle, not even a few clicks<BR>>worth. It's not business it's personal :-))<BR>><BR>>Data Goob wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>> Jonathan,<BR>>> <BR>>> Your reply as well as the rest of the arroganti here in c.d.i<BR>>> is the height of some of the worst attitude I think I've ever seen<BR>>> here. As much as I respect the technical excellence of you and<BR>>> some of the people here, to even suggest that it is too much to<BR>>> spend a few extra keyclicks on an email > address really shows bad<BR>>> form. You would be better to have never taken a position that<BR>>> suggests such arrogance. Same for the rest of you, you're sounding<BR>>> a little too high and mighty to argue such a petty point. Arrogance<BR>>> is what