Re: IDS as a "legacy" system...
On Sep 10, 12:39 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > Marco Greco wrote: > > InDeep wrote: > > >>> I was there when this happened, where were you? > > >> Standing next to you. > > >> *<8o) > > > This easy, eh? > > why don't you just use your name when posting.... > > http://www.masterplanthemovie.com > > and veiled threats from people... where have you been? *<8o) Yeah I have to agree with InDeep. When you have a position that is unpopular, you'd be surprised by those who get too aggressive because they don't like what you have to say, or how you say it. While ID and I agree that IBM has done a piss poor job of promoting and supporting IDS, we disagree on how to solve the problem. I prefer a more surgical approach that if done properly will "seed" certain market segments. ID prefers to "seed" the developer community. Mark T. albeit an Oracle employee, has hit the nail on the head that such seeding is not going to be cost effective. While ID has in the past been threatened by individuals, I'm always amazed that people tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. When I give them concrete examples that they can check on for themselves, they go mute or say that they don't have time for this line of discussions... The point is that I did work for the beast, was matrixed to S&D and wrote paper. -G
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Sep 10, 12:39 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: >> Marco Greco wrote: >>> InDeep wrote: >>>>> I was there when this happened, where were you? >>>> Standing next to you. >>>> *<8o) >>> This easy, eh? >>> why don't you just use your name when posting.... >> http://www.masterplanthemovie.com >> >> and veiled threats from people... where have you been? *<8o) > > Yeah I have to agree with InDeep. > > When you have a position that is unpopular, you'd be surprised by > those who get too aggressive because they don't like what you have to > say, or how you say it. > > While ID and I agree that IBM has done a piss poor job of promoting > and supporting IDS, we disagree on how to solve the problem. > > I prefer a more surgical approach that if done properly will "seed" > certain market segments. > ID prefers to "seed" the developer community. Mark T. albeit an Oracle > employee, has hit the nail on the head that such seeding is not going > to be cost effective. > Gumbi you make an assertion as if Informix is on a peer level with Oracle, and the reality is, most people don't know that Informix is even a product. I run into ex-Informix employees all the time, lots are doing other things now, their careers have basically starting over. Perception is reality. You also stated that the sales dept doesn't know how to sell the product, it was actually like that pre-IBM, so that argument is important but not really where the problem is. I dig sales people being important too, and they do matter, but the bottom-up has to be there to support your sales staff. The problem is that the product needs to be re-introduced into the market. Hell, GreenPlum has a better chance of going places simply because it is "new" to the market. It's really Postgres revisited, packaged as "new". Informix needs that chance to once again renew its market, since its market has basically evaporated.
On Sep 11, 12:58 am, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > On Sep 10, 12:39 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > >> Marco Greco wrote: > >>> InDeep wrote: > >>>>> I was there when this happened, where were you? > >>>> Standing next to you. > >>>> *<8o) > >>> This easy, eh? > >>> why don't you just use your name when posting.... > >>http://www.masterplanthemovie.com > > >> and veiled threats from people... where have you been? *<8o) > > > Yeah I have to agree with InDeep. > > > When you have a position that is unpopular, you'd be surprised by > > those who get too aggressive because they don't like what you have to > > say, or how you say it. > > > While ID and I agree that IBM has done a piss poor job of promoting > > and supporting IDS, we disagree on how to solve the problem. > > > I prefer a more surgical approach that if done properly will "seed" > > certain market segments. > > ID prefers to "seed" the developer community. Mark T. albeit an Oracle > > employee, has hit the nail on the head that such seeding is not going > > to be cost effective. > > Gumbi you make an assertion as if Informix is on a peer level with > Oracle, and the reality is, most people don't know that Informix is even > a product. I run into ex-Informix employees all the time, lots are > doing other things now, their careers have basically starting over. > Perception is reality. You also stated that the sales dept doesn't know > how to sell the product, it was actually like that pre-IBM, so that > argument is important but not really where the problem is. I dig sales > people being important too, and they do matter, but the bottom-up has to > be there to support your sales staff. The problem is that the product > needs to be re-introduced into the market. Hell, GreenPlum has a better > chance of going places simply because it is "new" to the market. It's > really Postgres revisited, packaged as "new". Informix needs that > chance to once again renew its market, since its market has basically > evaporated. ID, I think you kind of missed the point. Prior to the IBM acquisition, SEs aka IT Specialists had to know the product. The sales team consisted of a sales rep who knew how to manage the relationship and the sales process, along with an IT specialist who was the technical guy and handled all of the technical issues. Currently, the IT Specialists who cover IM's databases (not including Ass-n-tail's data stage), don't know IDS. (Anyone else want to count the number of IT Specialists in the US and what percentage of them are IDS certified (10 or 11)? Then compare it to DB2 distributed's number?) Green Plum has a couple of things going for it. Cost mainly. They've taken the core product and enhanced it. As a general purpose RDBMS, it will have limited success. But in the niche market, it competes very well and will have more success. It will never become a first tier player but not every company wants that...