THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SCREEN POSTINGS...

FROM JERKS LIKE OBNOXIO BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED!.. OK, SO I COMMITTED A MISTAKE BY POSTING MY RESUME HERE, BUT SOME OF YOU NEED SOME GROWING UP TO DO! ALTHOUGH IBM HAS NO CONTROL OVER THIS BOARD,I HOPE THEY TAKE NOTICE OF SOME OF THE POSTINGS AND REPLIES LEFT ON THIS BOARD!

Lighten up Francis...

FRANK ROTOLO wrote: > FROM JERKS LIKE OBNOXIO BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED!.. OK, SO I COMMITTED A > MISTAKE BY POSTING MY RESUME HERE, BUT SOME OF YOU NEED SOME GROWING UP TO DO! > ALTHOUGH IBM HAS NO CONTROL OVER THIS BOARD,I HOPE THEY TAKE NOTICE OF SOME OF > THE POSTINGS AND REPLIES LEFT ON THIS BOARD! Go fuck yourself, you jumped up drama queen. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

> -----Original Message----- > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of > FRANK ROTOLO > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:04 PM > To: ids@iiug.org > Subject: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SCREEN POSTINGS... [17701] > > FROM JERKS LIKE OBNOXIO BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED!.. OK, SO I COMMITTED > A > MISTAKE BY POSTING MY RESUME HERE, BUT SOME OF YOU NEED SOME GROWING UP > TO DO! > ALTHOUGH IBM HAS NO CONTROL OVER THIS BOARD,I HOPE THEY TAKE NOTICE OF > SOME OF > THE POSTINGS AND REPLIES LEFT ON THIS BOARD! > Oh, you mean the ones about how if they actually tried selling Informix to new customers, they'd make more money? If so, I agree. As to OTC, I might point out he was replying to you flaming Kate, just because her email is apparently on the fritz. > > *********************************************************************** > ******** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.

I don't know what y'all see on your end, but when I pull up my initial posting, my resume is clearly legible.. when kate replied, it looked garbled up. I wasnt the one who initially garbled it. Anyway, I posted a copy of my res on the job board, sorry for all the inconvenience this caused, but this clown, obbnoxio needs to grow up!.. FYI, many INFORMIX/IBM prospective customers, who are also techies, peek at these user group boards to get an idea of what problems may exist with a product they are evaluating, besides looking at how group members help each other out in Q&A and problem-solving, so that says it all!

FRANK ROTOLO wrote: > I don't know what y'all see on your end, but when I pull up my initial > posting, my resume is clearly legible.. when kate replied, it looked garbled > up. I wasnt the one who initially garbled it. Anyway, I posted a copy of my > res on the job board, sorry for all the inconvenience this caused, but this > clown, obbnoxio needs to grow up!.. FYI, many INFORMIX/IBM prospective > customers, who are also techies, peek at these user group boards to get an > idea of what problems may exist with a product they are evaluating, besides > looking at how group members help each other out in Q&A and problem-solving, > so that says it all! I'm not the one spamming every IIUG forum looking for a job. And when you've helped as many people on this forum as I have, you can fucking tell me how to behave. Until then, fuck off. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

I've been on the IIUG list going on 3 years now, and I've never had a problem. Yes, on rare occasion strange garbly ASCII test does appear, but that's why we have a delete button. Also, I'm very happy with the IIUG list service just as it is. I'm glad to be able to participate in this community with such outstanding individuals like Art, Obnoxio, Kate, Jerry, Jonathan L., and many other names in a list too long to mention in the message. I've been in a couple of tight jams that if I didn't have this list, I probably would have had to update my resume and find another career. And I'm sure we're all quite aware of the current economic conditions. And as for Obnoxio, I think he's great just as he is.... He's brightened my day just when I've needed it the most. Yes, I've gotten a jib-or-two, but I deserved it. Sorry you're having a bad experience Frank, but if you stick with it for a while, you'll get to understand the community here. It's one of the best lists I belong to, and I'm very grateful and proud of it (You guys rock!). Best Wishes.. "It is not life and its difficulties you have to conquer, only the self in you." Jonathan B. Smaby Pomona College phone: (909) 621-8506 email: jonathan.smaby@pomona.edu web: http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.smaby Semper Paratus! "Always Ready!" -----Original Message----- From: FRANK ROTOLO Subject: Re: RE: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SCREEN.... [17718] ...but this clown, obbnoxio needs to grow up! ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software.

The message always gets garbled if I post from my Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Smaby Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:34 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: RE: RE: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SCREEN.... [17720] I've been on the IIUG list going on 3 years now, and I've never had a problem. Yes, on rare occasion strange garbly ASCII test does appear, but that's why we have a delete button. Also, I'm very happy with the IIUG list service just as it is. I'm glad to be able to participate in this community with such outstanding individuals like Art, Obnoxio, Kate, Jerry, Jonathan L., and many other names in a list too long to mention in the message. I've been in a couple of tight jams that if I didn't have this list, I probably would have had to update my resume and find another career. And I'm sure we're all quite aware of the current economic conditions. And as for Obnoxio, I think he's great just as he is.... He's brightened my day just when I've needed it the most. Yes, I've gotten a jib-or-two, but I deserved it. Sorry you're having a bad experience Frank, but if you stick with it for a while, you'll get to understand the community here. It's one of the best lists I belong to, and I'm very grateful and proud of it (You guys rock!). Best Wishes.. "It is not life and its difficulties you have to conquer, only the self in you." Jonathan B. Smaby Pomona College phone: (909) 621-8506 email: jonathan.smaby@pomona.edu web: http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.smaby Semper Paratus! "Always Ready!" -----Original Message----- From: FRANK ROTOLO Subject: Re: RE: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SCREEN.... [17718] ....but this clown, obbnoxio needs to grow up! **************************************************************************** *** Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software. **************************************************************************** *** Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>; : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091022-0, 10/22/2009 Tested on: 10/22/2009 5:43:38 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.

Well if that's fine with you, its inexcusable and unprofessional with me! Just because someone is a great guru at solving other peoples problems doesnt give them the right to disrespect or use vulgar language anywhere, be it a user group board, work or the web, where millions of people can see it. We are all professionals, there'a a way of saying things, even if you disagree or get pissed off at someone else, but using an f-word on the most important user group board for IBM/INFORMIX is im sure, not the right forum for displaying insulting vulgarities! Many of you may have never heard of me, but i've been silently working with informix products since 1983, worked under Larry Rosler at AT&T-IS Labs, etc. etc. but I have never insulted anyone with vulgarities like this guy has, being a guru doesnt justify behaving like that, sorry!

FRANK ROTOLO wrote: > Well if that's fine with you, its inexcusable and unprofessional with me! Who died and appointed you king? Self-righteous prick. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

In many places the phrased 'pissed off' if consider highly offensive :-) -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of FRANK ROTOLO Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:53 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: RE: RE: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SC.... [17722] Well if that's fine with you, its inexcusable and unprofessional with me! Just because someone is a great guru at solving other peoples problems doesnt give them the right to disrespect or use vulgar language anywhere, be it a user group board, work or the web, where millions of people can see it. We are all professionals, there'a a way of saying things, even if you disagree or get pissed off at someone else, but using an f-word on the most important user group board for IBM/INFORMIX is im sure, not the right forum for displaying insulting vulgarities! Many of you may have never heard of me, but i've been silently working with informix products since 1983, worked under Larry Rosler at AT&T-IS Labs, etc. etc. but I have never insulted anyone with vulgarities like this guy has, being a guru doesnt justify behaving like that, sorry! **************************************************************************** *** Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com>; : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091022-0, 10/22/2009 Tested on: 10/22/2009 5:58:37 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software.

Frank my email was to just you - but that said... If you are looking for work I empathize with you - been there, it's no fun and not easy. Good luck. As I mentioned in my email to you, Obnoxio is a highly respected, very intelligent, staunch advocate of Informix and valuable member of this forum (now excuse me I just threw up in my mouth a little). Battling him is not a good idea - it is not a hill you want to die on - he was here first :-) This is a forum - not a board room. Relax - make up with Obnoxio and the rest of us. There are folks here who I am SURE can help you out. Mike

Fine, maybe some day I'll attend an area group meeting or even at the annual convention and meet him face to face.. in the meantime, i'll keep looking for work!

Just some friendly and caring advice (not looking to put down, guilt-trip, or humiliate) We have exactly two choices in life: A) "Seeking What Is Right": I Accept the things I cannot change, have the courage to change the things I can, and hopefully the wisdom to know the difference. I can also accept the world as it is, and not as I would have it. And I can use these principles to influence others, but not against their will. or B) "Seeking To Be Right": I can demand that others obey my wishes, desires, and needs or my particular brand of courtesy. I can also be miserable, alone, and alienated. I can use these principles to force others to my will, and drive them away. I spent the first 30 years of my life doing option B. I couldn't hold a job more than 6 months - 2 years, I would leave a path of destruction a mile-wide, and suffered many broken relationship, as well as poor career and life choices. The work and social environment has changed significantly in the, now, 20 years I've spent in Information Technology. People are far more relational then I've ever seen before, in fact, the inability to be relational even in technical fields, can be costly. And after having been through recovery for lots of issues, I now live under option A. Life has been a vastly improved. I've held a steady career in my field of expertise for 9 years now, and I would have never imagined that happening. Sometimes being called "Unprofessional" is just a cover for "You're not doing it my way!". My final comment on this thread is just a simple quote that says it all for me "You attract my bee's with honey, than with vinegar" Thanks, and best wishes / good luck with your career search! Sincerely, Jonathan B. Smaby Pomona College phone: (909) 621-8506 email: jonathan.smaby@pomona.edu web: http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.smaby Semper Paratus! "Always Ready!" -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of FRANK ROTOLO Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:53 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: RE: RE: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SC.... [17722] Well if that's fine with you, its inexcusable and unprofessional with me! Just because someone is a great guru at solving other peoples problems doesnt give them the right to disrespect or use vulgar language anywhere, be it a user group board, work or the web, where millions of people can see it. We are all professionals, there'a a way of saying things, even if you disagree or get pissed off at someone else, but using an f-word on the most important user group board for IBM/INFORMIX is im sure, not the right forum for displaying insulting vulgarities! Many of you may have never heard of me, but i've been silently working with informix products since 1983, worked under Larry Rosler at AT&T-IS Labs, etc. etc. but I have never insulted anyone with vulgarities like this guy has, being a guru doesnt justify behaving like that, sorry! ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software.

damn I missed you guys.

> Fine, maybe some day I'll attend an area group meeting or even at the > annual convention and meet him face to face.. in the meantime, i'll keep > looking for work! > He'll be the one with the floppy shoes and garish make-up. Good luck detecting his real identity.

> Just some friendly and caring advice (not looking to put down, guilt-trip, > or humiliate) > > We have exactly two choices in life: > I think somebody needs to be held

LOL! Andrew... Not quite. Jonathan B. Smaby Pomona College phone: (909) 621-8506 email: jonathan.smaby@pomona.edu web: http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.smaby Semper Paratus! "Always Ready!" -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Clarke Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:13 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SC.... [17730] > Just some friendly and caring advice (not looking to put down, guilt-trip, > or humiliate) > > We have exactly two choices in life: > I think somebody needs to be held ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software.

group hug..... group hug..... :) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Smaby" <Jonathan.Smaby@pomona.edu> To: ids@iiug.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:19:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SC.... [17731] LOL! Andrew... Not quite. Jonathan B. Smaby Pomona College phone: (909) 621-8506 email: jonathan.smaby@pomona.edu web: http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.smaby Semper Paratus! "Always Ready!" -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Clarke Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:13 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: Re: THIS BOARD NEEDS A MODERATOR TO SC.... [17730] > Just some friendly and caring advice (not looking to put down, guilt-trip, > or humiliate) > > We have exactly two choices in life: > I think somebody needs to be held ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. ------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software. ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.

On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 14:04 -0400, FRANK ROTOLO wrote: > FROM JERKS LIKE OBNOXIO BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED!.. OK, SO I COMMITTED A > MISTAKE BY POSTING MY RESUME HERE, BUT SOME OF YOU NEED SOME GROWING UP TO DO! > ALTHOUGH IBM HAS NO CONTROL OVER THIS BOARD,I HOPE THEY TAKE NOTICE OF SOME OF > THE POSTINGS AND REPLIES LEFT ON THIS BOARD! Eh? What this board needs is to run on some real/modern software. Posts to this don't even thread for crying out loud, it is a real irritant. Sympa, even mailman, please. I wanted to change the address I am subscribed to this list with - so I did an unsubscribe / subscribe - I got two messages saying it was pending review [??] - and a week later I'm still not subscribed with my other address or unsubscribed from this one. Arg.

Just send an email to webmaster@iiug.org and it will be taken care of, Adam. Art Art S. Kagel Oninit (www.oninit.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Adam Tauno Williams <adam@morrison-ind.com > wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 14:04 -0400, FRANK ROTOLO wrote: > > FROM JERKS LIKE OBNOXIO BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED!.. OK, SO I COMMITTED A > > MISTAKE BY POSTING MY RESUME HERE, BUT SOME OF YOU NEED SOME GROWING UP > TO > DO! > > ALTHOUGH IBM HAS NO CONTROL OVER THIS BOARD,I HOPE THEY TAKE NOTICE OF > SOME > OF > > THE POSTINGS AND REPLIES LEFT ON THIS BOARD! > > Eh? > > What this board needs is to run on some real/modern software. Posts to > this don't even thread for crying out loud, it is a real irritant. > Sympa, even mailman, please. > > I wanted to change the address I am subscribed to this list with - so I > did an unsubscribe / subscribe - I got two messages saying it was > pending review [??] - and a week later I'm still not subscribed with my > other address or unsubscribed from this one. Arg. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --00151747373aa77c1b04769d4109

As to the forum problems, as a frequent poster, I agree. As a BOD member, I can say that we are looking at reworking the web site and forums, but it costs money and time, neither of which are in free supply in this economy. Know that the BOD is aware of the problem. Art Art S. Kagel Oninit (www.oninit.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Adam Tauno Williams <adam@morrison-ind.com > wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 14:04 -0400, FRANK ROTOLO wrote: > > FROM JERKS LIKE OBNOXIO BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED!.. OK, SO I COMMITTED A > > MISTAKE BY POSTING MY RESUME HERE, BUT SOME OF YOU NEED SOME GROWING UP > TO > DO! > > ALTHOUGH IBM HAS NO CONTROL OVER THIS BOARD,I HOPE THEY TAKE NOTICE OF > SOME > OF > > THE POSTINGS AND REPLIES LEFT ON THIS BOARD! > > Eh? > > What this board needs is to run on some real/modern software. Posts to > this don't even thread for crying out loud, it is a real irritant. > Sympa, even mailman, please. > > I wanted to change the address I am subscribed to this list with - so I > did an unsubscribe / subscribe - I got two messages saying it was > pending review [??] - and a week later I'm still not subscribed with my > other address or unsubscribed from this one. Arg. > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --00151747856e4c8d2604769d6fd4