Re: Oracle V Informix
Not a technical thread at all: it's the tail end of an Oracle-vs-Informix/DB2-vs-SQL Server market-share argument. Posters bicker over IDC database revenue figures, with one claiming Microsoft's numbers are inflated by embedded/bundled copies and that Oracle and IBM each cite statistics selectively. No technical problem is posed and no resolution is reached; the exchange degenerates into personal jabs before participants call for an end to the flame war and trade jokes. Nothing of practical use.
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"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote Samuel Clemens had something to say about statistics and statisticians. And buried in those . MS numbers is every copy of it they've "sold" by including it in other software. By that reckoning Ingres is still a major contender. From what I know, and more than a small number of Microsoft employees have been my classes, they are a solid number three: Well behind IBM and Oracle. Hyperbole is what they are selling ... not all they are selling ... but a lot of what they are selling. You should be careful what you buy. >MS numbers is every copy of it they've "sold" by including it in other software U seem to know everthing. I said the figures were from IDC. The same IDC figures, which Oracle marketing quote shamelessly when it suits them. BTW isn't it true for everyone. Per Oracle Web site, most of IBM's database revenue is coming from declining market share products, like DB2 on Mainframe, AS400 and only Oracle's market share is gaining. OTOH IBM claims that of the past 10 Qs, Oracle showed a declining trend in database sales in 9Qs.
rkusenet wrote: >"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote > >Samuel Clemens had something to say about statistics and statisticians. And buried in those >. MS numbers is every copy of it they've "sold" by including it in other software. By that reckoning >Ingres is still a major contender. From what I know, and more than a small number of Microsoft >employees have been my classes, they are a solid number three: Well behind IBM and Oracle. >Hyperbole is what they are selling ... not all they are selling ... but a lot of what they are selling. >You should be careful what you buy. > > > > >>MS numbers is every copy of it they've "sold" by including it in other software >> >> > >U seem to know everthing. I said the figures were from IDC. The same >IDC figures, which Oracle marketing quote shamelessly when it >suits them. BTW isn't it true for everyone. Per Oracle Web site, >most of IBM's database revenue is coming from declining market share products, >like DB2 on Mainframe, AS400 and only Oracle's market share is >gaining. OTOH IBM claims that of the past 10 Qs, Oracle showed >a declining trend in database sales in 9Qs. > > > With no intention to offend either Obnoxio or Mark ... I've said my piece on marketing. I'll stand by it. MS openly admits to their employees, at least, that their numbers include embedded implementations. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
OK - is this the end of it now? We've avoided a cross-newsgroup flame war of a very pointless dick-slapping battle between different engine fans, but it appears we've hit a bit of a personal attack war. Deep breath....
"Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@mail.com> wrote in message news:bon7io$1fjvh5$1@ID-79573.news.uni-berlin.de... > OK - is this the end of it now? > > We've avoided a cross-newsgroup flame war of a very pointless dick-slapping > battle between different engine fans ... The phrase is "willy waving".
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > > But Dick Slapper sounds like a much more catchy name. He'd be the brother of Tasha Slapper then?
Neil Truby wrote: > "Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@mail.com> wrote in message > news:bon7io$1fjvh5$1@ID-79573.news.uni-berlin.de... >> OK - is this the end of it now? >> >> We've avoided a cross-newsgroup flame war of a very pointless > dick-slapping >> battle between different engine fans ... > > The phrase is "willy waving". But Dick Slapper sounds like a much more catchy name. -- Ciao, The Obnoxious One "Ogni uomo mi guarda come se fossi una testa di cazzo"