Getting a bite of the Apple?

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform By Larry Barrett Maybe it's just a cat thing. IBM on Wednesday announced its Informix Dynamic Server (IDS) will support the Mac OS X 10.5 operating system, a.k.a. 'Leopard' beginning with the mid-year release of the latest version of IDS 11, code-named Cheetah 2. Developers can now download a beta version of IDS Developer Edition from the IBM Web site but customers looking for a production version of Cheetah 2 will have to wait for a few more months, Bernie Spang, director of IBM data servers, told InternetNews.com. "There are many Mac application developers in education and government who are looking for high performance, high reliability and scalability for database management software," Spang said. "It's important for them that it not complicate their experience. Mac is known for its ease of use. And ease of management really means no management at all." IBM chose this week's Macworld Expo as the venue for the announcement, hoping to spread the word to the thousands of Mac developers in attendance who, until now, had been excluded from the IDS party. Cheetah 2 will extend online transaction processing (OLTP) (define) data serving capabilities to the Mac platform in addition to its current support of Linux, Unix and Windows operating systems. IBM said IDS provides continuous availability and disaster recovery features, including support for multiple secondary servers, and claims 99.9 percent availability. Spang said the timing of the announcement was coincidental and reflects both IBM's commitment to the growing IDS platform and the work that Apple's done in the past year to revamp its flagship operating system software. "Maybe it's the cat names," he joked. "Somebody must have decided that we should be hunting the prey together." IBM rolled out IDS 11 in June, incorporating the continuous data-availability and disaster recovery technology from its mainframe machines to help customers better manage their server clusters regardless of the distance between backup datacenters. Spang added that the Cheetah 2 release, following the IDS 10 and initial IDS 11 offerings, demonstrate both IBM's commitment to the platform and its independence from its DB2 line. "The message we've been on and clearly demonstrating for several years is that Informix product line continues to be a strategic product line," he said. "We've been consistent in delivering capabilities in IDS that we've drawn from DB2 and capabilities from DB2 that we've drawn from IDS." -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > > IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > By Larry Barrett > > Curious that there is no announcement at IBM's web site, or any other tech website. You wouldn't even know it happened save here in c.d.i.

InDeep said: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 >> >> IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform >> By Larry Barrett > > Curious that there is no announcement at IBM's web site, or any other > tech website. You wouldn't even know it happened save here in c.d.i. Stealth marketing, doncha know? -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

On Jan 16, 9:21 am, "Obnoxio The Clown" <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > InDeep said: > > > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >>http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > > >> IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > >> By Larry Barrett > > > Curious that there is no announcement at IBM's web site, or any other > > tech website.  You wouldn't even know it happened save here in c.d.i. > > Stealth marketing, doncha know? > > -- > Bye now, > Obnoxio > > "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason > and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your > panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they > promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, > obedient consent." > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is > believed to be clean. WEEEEE hoo!

InDeep wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 >> >> IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform >> By Larry Barrett >> >> > > Curious that there is no announcement at IBM's web site, or any other > tech website. You wouldn't even know it happened save here in c.d.i. > http://www-306.ibm.com/software/info/ids/index.jsp

>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >> news:mailman.278.1200496632.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform By Larry Barrett Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent elsewhere?

Neil Truby wrote: >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >>> news:mailman.278.1200496632.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... >>> > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > By Larry Barrett > > Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent > elsewhere? > > Where? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

"Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message news:mailman.280.1200503359.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... > Neil Truby wrote: >>>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >>>> news:mailman.278.1200496632.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... >>>> >> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 >> IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform >> By Larry Barrett >> >> Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent >> elsewhere? >> > > Where? IDS 10?

This was "announced" earlier. But the *official* announcement happened today as part of Mac World. (I wonder if Bernie Spang was in SF?) Oracle has had a port on Apple for a while, but the story I heard was that Oracle wanted Apple to support the port and Apple wanted Oracle to support the port. Of course Apple isn't a big money maker when it comes to a business platform. Having said that, rather than cry about putting the money elsewhere, one should be asking why IBM did an Apple port of IDS? First why Apple? Second, why IDS and *not* DB2? Thats the interesting thing. If you don't take the announcement at face value and ask a couple of straight forward questions, you may see the logic behind the action. What's also interesting is that the article was a one sided press release. Doesn't anyone find it strange that there wasn't a quote from Apple concerning this port? One would think that someone from Apple would have participated with the marketing statement. I could think of a couple of Steve's directs who could have been good for a quote or two. Its what not said that can be important. But hey! What do I know? Its not like I used this sort of logic in making fun of a couple of our favorite exCEOs... ;-) -G > >> Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent > >> elsewhere? > >> > > > > Where? > > IDS 10? > > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

On Jan 16, 10:16 am, "Obnoxio The Clown" <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > > IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > By Larry Barrett > > Maybe it's just a cat thing. > > IBM on Wednesday announced its Informix Dynamic Server (IDS) will support > the Mac OS X 10.5 operating system, a.k.a. 'Leopard' beginning with the > mid-year release of the latest version of IDS 11, code-named Cheetah 2. > > Developers can now download a beta version of IDS Developer Edition from > the IBM Web site but customers looking for a production version of Cheetah > 2 will have to wait for a few more months, Bernie Spang, director of IBM > data servers, told InternetNews.com. > > "There are many Mac application developers in education and government who > are looking for high performance, high reliability and scalability for > database management software," Spang said. "It's important for them that > it not complicate their experience. Mac is known for its ease of use. And > ease of management really means no management at all." > > IBM chose this week's Macworld Expo as the venue for the announcement, > hoping to spread the word to the thousands of Mac developers in attendance > who, until now, had been excluded from the IDS party. > > Cheetah 2 will extend online transaction processing (OLTP) (define) data > serving capabilities to the Mac platform in addition to its current > support of Linux, Unix and Windows operating systems. IBM said IDS > provides continuous availability and disaster recovery features, including > support for multiple secondary servers, and claims 99.9 percent > availability. > > Spang said the timing of the announcement was coincidental and reflects > both IBM's commitment to the growing IDS platform and the work that > Apple's done in the past year to revamp its flagship operating system > software. > > "Maybe it's the cat names," he joked. "Somebody must have decided that we > should be hunting the prey together." > > IBM rolled out IDS 11 in June, incorporating the continuous > data-availability and disaster recovery technology from its mainframe > machines to help customers better manage their server clusters regardless > of the distance between backup datacenters. > > Spang added that the Cheetah 2 release, following the IDS 10 and initial > IDS 11 offerings, demonstrate both IBM's commitment to the platform and > its independence from its DB2 line. > > "The message we've been on and clearly demonstrating for several years is > that Informix product line continues to be a strategic product line," he > said. "We've been consistent in delivering capabilities in IDS that we've > drawn from DB2 and capabilities from DB2 that we've drawn from IDS." > > -- > Bye now, > Obnoxio > > "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason > and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your > panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they > promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, > obedient consent." > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is > believed to be clean. This may have something to do with the new IPHONE feature that tells you were you are. Apparently the phone uses the distance from cell phone towers to check with a server to find your approximate position. I wonder if the server and the client are Informix based. Someone made a hint about this awhile back. So, if they were using Informix on the back end and front end for this iPhone purpose maybe they partnered with apple to port Informix to the Mac OS X. Does the iPhone run a stripped down version of OS X? I had a friend put telnet and SSH on it so It seems to run OS X. If it does, does this mean that the iPhone could or is running Informix?

bozon wrote: > On Jan 16, 10:16 am, "Obnoxio The Clown" <obno...@serendipita.com> > wrote: >> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 >> >> IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform >> By Larry Barrett >> >> Maybe it's just a cat thing. >> >> IBM on Wednesday announced its Informix Dynamic Server (IDS) will support >> the Mac OS X 10.5 operating system, a.k.a. 'Leopard' beginning with the >> mid-year release of the latest version of IDS 11, code-named Cheetah 2. >> >> Developers can now download a beta version of IDS Developer Edition from >> the IBM Web site but customers looking for a production version of Cheetah >> 2 will have to wait for a few more months, Bernie Spang, director of IBM >> data servers, told InternetNews.com. >> >> "There are many Mac application developers in education and government who >> are looking for high performance, high reliability and scalability for >> database management software," Spang said. "It's important for them that >> it not complicate their experience. Mac is known for its ease of use. And >> ease of management really means no management at all." >> >> IBM chose this week's Macworld Expo as the venue for the announcement, >> hoping to spread the word to the thousands of Mac developers in attendance >> who, until now, had been excluded from the IDS party. >> >> Cheetah 2 will extend online transaction processing (OLTP) (define) data >> serving capabilities to the Mac platform in addition to its current >> support of Linux, Unix and Windows operating systems. IBM said IDS >> provides continuous availability and disaster recovery features, including >> support for multiple secondary servers, and claims 99.9 percent >> availability. >> >> Spang said the timing of the announcement was coincidental and reflects >> both IBM's commitment to the growing IDS platform and the work that >> Apple's done in the past year to revamp its flagship operating system >> software. >> >> "Maybe it's the cat names," he joked. "Somebody must have decided that we >> should be hunting the prey together." >> >> IBM rolled out IDS 11 in June, incorporating the continuous >> data-availability and disaster recovery technology from its mainframe >> machines to help customers better manage their server clusters regardless >> of the distance between backup datacenters. >> >> Spang added that the Cheetah 2 release, following the IDS 10 and initial >> IDS 11 offerings, demonstrate both IBM's commitment to the platform and >> its independence from its DB2 line. >> >> "The message we've been on and clearly demonstrating for several years is >> that Informix product line continues to be a strategic product line," he >> said. "We've been consistent in delivering capabilities in IDS that we've >> drawn from DB2 and capabilities from DB2 that we've drawn from IDS." >> >> -- >> Bye now, >> Obnoxio >> >> "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason >> and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your >> panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they >> promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, >> obedient consent." >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is >> believed to be clean. > > This may have something to do with the new IPHONE feature that tells > you were you are. Apparently the phone uses the distance from cell > phone towers to check with a server to find your approximate position. > I wonder if the server and the client are Informix based. Someone made > a hint about this awhile back. So, if they were using Informix on the > back end and front end for this iPhone purpose maybe they partnered > with apple to port Informix to the Mac OS X. Does the iPhone run a > stripped down version of OS X? I had a friend put telnet and SSH on it > so It seems to run OS X. If it does, does this mean that the iPhone > could or is running Informix? The cell switches are normally managed via IDS - or at least they used to be. All the cell providers we look after still use IDS Cheers Paul

> From: curtis@crowson1.com> Subject: Re: Getting a bite of the Apple?> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:40:16 -0800> To: informix-list@iiug.org> > This may have something to do with the new IPHONE feature that tells> you were you are. Apparently the phone uses the distance from cell> phone towers to check with a server to find your approximate position.> I wonder if the server and the client are Informix based. Someone made> a hint about this awhile back. So, if they were using Informix on the> back end and front end for this iPhone purpose maybe they partnered> with apple to port Informix to the Mac OS X. Does the iPhone run a> stripped down version of OS X? I had a friend put telnet and SSH on it> so It seems to run OS X. If it does, does this mean that the iPhone> could or is running Informix?> _______________________________________________> Uhm doubtful. All cell phones which lack GPS sort of have this ability. It has nothing to do with the database. _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008

Neil Truby wrote: >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >>> news:mailman.278.1200496632.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > By Larry Barrett > > Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent > elsewhere? > > Actually this is a rather bright move, since Mac OSX is essentially a UNIX OS. It is noticeably different from Linux. Apple has also recently announced some serious horsepower on their rack-able Xserves. ( http://www.apple.com/xserve/ ) It is actually kind of neat to see two niche products finally together, who knows maybe they will complement each other nicely or "nichely" :-) So, maybe congrats are in order, and some fun in the process. There could be some nice applications come together especially since a lot of the creative community will spend the money on Apple products, yes, even the Xserves and Apple's SAN are taken quite seriously. -ID-

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > This was "announced" earlier. But the *official* announcement happened > today as part of Mac World. > (I wonder if Bernie Spang was in SF?) > > Oracle has had a port on Apple for a while, but the story I heard was > that Oracle wanted Apple to support the port and Apple wanted Oracle to > support the port. > Of course Apple isn't a big money maker when it comes to a business > platform. IBM have also announced that Lotus Notes will be ported to the iphone. Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/lotus_iphone/ It seems it's part of a strategy to get business users on the iphone and using IBM software. The articles says IBM are working closely with Apple. I'm still not sure where IDS fits into this. Ben.

Ben Thompson said: > IBM have also announced that Lotus Notes will be ported to the iphone. > Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/lotus_iphone/ They must really hate the iPhone! :o) -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

Ben Thompson wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> >> >> This was "announced" earlier. But the *official* announcement happened >> today as part of Mac World. >> (I wonder if Bernie Spang was in SF?) >> >> Oracle has had a port on Apple for a while, but the story I heard was >> that Oracle wanted Apple to support the port and Apple wanted Oracle >> to support the port. >> Of course Apple isn't a big money maker when it comes to a business >> platform. > > IBM have also announced that Lotus Notes will be ported to the iphone. > Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/lotus_iphone/ > > It seems it's part of a strategy to get business users on the iphone and > using IBM software. The articles says IBM are working closely with Apple. > > I'm still not sure where IDS fits into this. > > Ben. Best reason I've heard for NOT buying an iPhone - I loath Hopeless Notes Cheers Paul

> From: indeep@indeep.com > Subject: Re: Getting a bite of the Apple? > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:01 -0800 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > Neil Truby wrote: > >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message > >>> news:mailman.278.1200496632.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... > > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > > IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > > By Larry Barrett > > > > Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent > > elsewhere? > > > > > > Actually this is a rather bright move, since Mac OSX is essentially a > UNIX OS. It is noticeably different from Linux. Apple has also recently > announced some serious horsepower on their rack-able Xserves. > Mac OS/X is really Mach a flavor of Unix. Think NeXTStep. As to this being a bright move? Not so sure. Oracle has had a port to Mac for a couple of years. (version 9 and I think 10) But its unsupported now. Why? Because of a lack of ROI. To give you some history, earlier SE and IDS were ported to NeXT in the early 90's. A certain retailer in Michigan had expressed interest.... (And that's *all* I can say on that matter). As to IDS, it seems easier to port than DB2. I don't see stories of DB2 running on a PS3, do you? But getting back to the point, doing the port and supporting the port are two different things. Informix learned that supporting 3 versions of the database (Illustra 9.x, IDS 7.x and XPS 8.x) on a multitude of platforms was economically inefficient. Hence the arrowhead project. (Oracle btw only supports one engine. Microsoft, one engine one platform.) So unless there's a big customer requesting this, or Apple is putting IBM in column B to force Oracle, not sure what is going on. > ( http://www.apple.com/xserve/ ) > > It is actually kind of neat to see two niche products finally together, > who knows maybe they will complement each other nicely or "nichely" :-) > > So, maybe congrats are in order, and some fun in the process. There could > be some nice applications come together especially since a lot of the > creative community will spend the money on Apple products, yes, even the > Xserves and Apple's SAN are taken quite seriously. > This would only be true if you were running an all apple shop. How many businesses run all apple? Your database server doesn't have to be on a mac, it could be on any platform that supports a JDBC connection. No? So this makes thing interesting. What is very interesting is that the PR piece came only from IBM. Did Bernie Spang forget to shower that morning and none of the Apple reps were willing to make a quote with him? Sometimes what is not said, is more important that what is said.... ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.  You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join

> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:07:32 -0600 > From: paul@oninit.com > Subject: Re: Getting a bite of the Apple? > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > IBM have also announced that Lotus Notes will be ported to the iphone. > > Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/lotus_iphone/ > > > > It seems it's part of a strategy to get business users on the iphone and > > using IBM software. The articles says IBM are working closely with Apple. > > > > I'm still not sure where IDS fits into this. > > > > Ben. > > Best reason I've heard for NOT buying an iPhone - I loath Hopeless Notes That is the interesting piece. I read it and noticed that there were no *official* comments. One has to ask... Is this a meeting of the minds between Apple and IBM, or is this IBM trying to find relevance for their products. Based on the comments about Lotus Notes, this is a low risk move on IBM's part. IDS? Hell we're the bastard step child within IBM's IM pillar, that Janet wanted to kill off. So there's no risk there. I hate to say it, but Apple's been mum on these announcements. What that tells me is that these are IBM initiatives and apple is providing the support it said it would in order to open up the iPhone to third party apps. Note: The comment about the iphone's keyboard... probably made from an unnamed engineer and not a mouthpiece like Berine. Although if you've met Bernie, he *could* have said that too. ;-) -G _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!  Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > From: indeep@indeep.com > > Subject: Re: Getting a bite of the Apple? > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:01 -0800 > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > > > > > Neil Truby wrote: > > >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message > > >>> news:mailman.278.1200496632.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... > > > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3721921 > > > IBM's IDS to Support Mac Platform > > > By Larry Barrett > > > > > > Is it jut me that would much rather have seen these R&D dollars spent > > > elsewhere? > > > > > > > > > > Actually this is a rather bright move, since Mac OSX is essentially a > > UNIX OS. It is noticeably different from Linux. Apple has also recently > > announced some serious horsepower on their rack-able Xserves. > > > Mac OS/X is really Mach a flavor of Unix. Think NeXTStep. > > As to this being a bright move? Not so sure. > Oracle has had a port to Mac for a couple of years. (version 9 and I > think 10) But its unsupported now. Why? Because of a lack of ROI. > > To give you some history, earlier SE and IDS were ported to NeXT in the > early 90's. A certain retailer in Michigan had expressed interest.... > (And that's *all* I can say on that matter). > Yeah... <snore> Disney in Orlando had a copy too... <yawn> > As to IDS, it seems easier to port than DB2. I don't see stories of DB2 > running on a PS3, do you? > > But getting back to the point, doing the port and supporting the port > are two different things. Informix learned that supporting 3 versions of > the database (Illustra 9.x, IDS 7.x and XPS 8.x) on a multitude of > platforms was economically inefficient. Hence the arrowhead project. > (Oracle btw only supports one engine. Microsoft, one engine one platform.) > > So unless there's a big customer requesting this, or Apple is putting > IBM in column B to force Oracle, not sure what is going on. > > > ( http://www.apple.com/xserve/ ) > > > > It is actually kind of neat to see two niche products finally together, > > who knows maybe they will complement each other nicely or "nichely" :-) > > > > So, maybe congrats are in order, and some fun in the process. There could > > be some nice applications come together especially since a lot of the > > creative community will spend the money on Apple products, yes, even the > > Xserves and Apple's SAN are taken quite seriously. > > > > This would only be true if you were running an all apple shop. How many > businesses run all apple? Your database server doesn't have to be on a > mac, it could be on any platform that supports a JDBC connection. No? > true true... But Macs are much more compelling in light of how pathetic Vista _is_ . I bought a MacBook Pro, and despite some issues I have with its user interface, it is rock solid. If you start to dig a little into the Mac stack, you'll see how compelling Mac is for SMBs that need a reliable desktop and possibly a server. The entertainment biz is big on Mac, as well as your typical marketing depts. > So this makes thing interesting. > > What is very interesting is that the PR piece came only from IBM. Did > Bernie Spang forget to shower that morning and none of the Apple reps > were willing to make a quote with him? > > Sometimes what is not said, is more important that what is said.... ;-) > True. But it is actually quite interesting in how simple a turn-key solution is with an Xserve and a bunch of Macs. Very little system administration, and as it goes, it just works, and works well. Apple has to get a little better on Windows integration, but on the other hand it may not have to care as much in the long run if Vista crashes as much as everyone hopes. You really do have a good alternative with the Mac stack, check it out. You have to finally get to the point where you tell yourself you are not going to use Windows unless you absolutely have to, and now with Mac and Linux coming up strong you finally have much better choices than Windows. I have a Windows XP VM on my Mac for those times where I absolutely have to use Windows, and that's only at work, in an office where I have to use Exchange. Other than that, it's the Mac. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we > give. Learn more. > <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join>;

> From: indeep@indeep.com [SNIP] > > > > To give you some history, earlier SE and IDS were ported to NeXT in the > > early 90's. A certain retailer in Michigan had expressed interest.... > > (And that's *all* I can say on that matter). > > > > > Yeah... <snore> Disney in Orlando had a copy too... <yawn> > Not really yawn. Using Interface Builder you could whip out a cool app faster than just 4GL and it would support multiple windows. But you had to know Objective C, IB and Informix. How many could do that? (Not many. I got my NeXTStep Cert in '92) [SNIP] > > This would only be true if you were running an all apple shop. How many > > businesses run all apple? Your database server doesn't have to be on a > > mac, it could be on any platform that supports a JDBC connection. No? > > > > true true... But Macs are much more compelling in light of how pathetic > Vista _is_ . I bought a MacBook Pro, and despite some issues I have with > its user interface, it is rock solid. If you start to dig a little into > the Mac stack, you'll see how compelling Mac is for SMBs that need a reliable > desktop and possibly a server. The entertainment biz is big on Mac, as well > as your typical marketing depts. > No. How many people are running Vista Servers? You're not going to put IDS on the desktop but on your network server. So the issue of Vista vs Mac OS/X is really a moot point. Hint: You buy/build an intel dual/quad core server and put Linux w IDS to support your SMB environment. You can still have all the macs you want and you keep your DB costs down. > > > So this makes thing interesting. > > > > What is very interesting is that the PR piece came only from IBM. Did > > Bernie Spang forget to shower that morning and none of the Apple reps > > were willing to make a quote with him? > > > > Sometimes what is not said, is more important that what is said.... ;-) > > > > True. But it is actually quite interesting in how simple a turn-key solution > is with an Xserve and a bunch of Macs. Very little system administration, and > as it goes, it just works, and works well. Apple has to get a little better on > Windows integration, but on the other hand it may not have to care as much in > the long run if Vista crashes as much as everyone hopes. You really do have a > good alternative with the Mac stack, check it out. You have to finally get to > the point where you tell yourself you are not going to use Windows unless you > absolutely have to, and now with Mac and Linux coming up strong you finally > have much better choices than Windows. I have a Windows XP VM on my Mac for those > times where I absolutely have to use Windows, and that's only at work, in an > office where I have to use Exchange. Other than that, it's the Mac. > Right. So you're already in a multi platform environment. Putting in a Linux DB server box isn't going to kill you. Don't get me wrong, I think an IDS port to the Mac is a beautiful thing. Its the reasoning behind the move that I find interesting. Its the silence on Apple's end that is interesting. What I mean is that Apple would welcome IBM as a registered application developer for their I Phone, however, if this were an Apple initiated move, they would have put out a joint PR or some form of a friendly comment. No? _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > Right. So you're already in a multi platform environment. Putting in a > Linux DB server box isn't going to kill you. > Agreed. But there are actually shops where they may want to keep it all one stack. I too agree that Linux is probably a more appropriate choice outside the Apple box, but there may be applications on Mac Xserve that could take advantage of Informix, running natively on an Xserve. There are actually people out there using Macs to do real work, with new media, and may find it more compelling to stay 'native' with Informix running right on the same OS--even though it's a weak argument in the grand scheme of things. It may not seem 'necessary' but until you actually work with Mac people, you may not understand the culture. I'm still trying to get a better handle on it, and it really boils down to support. > Don't get me wrong, I think an IDS port to the Mac is a beautiful thing. > Its the reasoning behind the move that I find interesting. > > Its the silence on Apple's end that is interesting. > How do they socialize the message that a database like Informix is now available on the Mac, to people that in 90% of their market don't really give a hoot. It may however be appealing to folks who are actually going to do application development on Xserve, staying totally native with OSX. There may be some kind of application that will fit nicely in this area, but I too have no clue why it would be 'necessary' other than saying, "We're on Mac OSX". That may be _the_ reason, end of story. > What I mean is that Apple would welcome IBM as a registered application > developer for their I Phone, however, if this were an Apple initiated > move, they would have put out a joint PR or some form of a friendly > comment. No? > > Yeah, but IBM didn't do a very good job of even telling the IBM community about the port, so it was done pretty piss poor. There are some interesting things that could happen since the Mac momentum is a lot greater than the last time Windows "improved" and came out with a new version. Vista could push a lot of people right in to OSX, simply because there's little else to choose from. Linux desktop isn't quite there yet, and the Mac's parental approach to the desktop may in the end be the right way to go--pricey as it is, but in the long run, less support needed. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!! Learn more. > <http://biggestloser.msn.com/>;