Re: Informix Directions
Poor sole. Working for such a crappy, totaly stupid management. And with your superb skills. Just for the record, 4j is the one product in the world that virtually noone should use for any purpose. It's a dead end and nothing but a dead end. If you plan for an end of course a dead end product can be usefull for a short while, but... If you did want to do what 4j can do for you there are probably even better products arround for the purpose. However I do not want to advertise them, or even suggest where to go for information, as I think it's a bad idea to try to keep life in a product in the way these people suggest. Why don't you give me a call. May be we could arrange something that would be better for you? Mail me with your phone number or you will get one from me. This does however show something that might be of interest to the Informix marketing and sales people. I do however believe they try to do this, but aren't too successfull. 4j do have mindshare. Not because anyone knows anything about the product or it's capabilites. Few do. It's because they piggyback on the MS Windows mindshare and use that to sell to management who don't realy know what they are doing. These managers would however not get this idea unless there where a lot of people knowing about and wanting the GUI thing, and MS Windows in particular. That's more of the lesson Informix needs to learn then the direct lesson of selling to management. That mind share does come through developers and VAR's to a large extent in the dbms part of the market. On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:43:38 +0000, David Williams <djw@smooth1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In article <34dd3696.42086156@news.monmouth.com>, David Kosenko ><dkosenko@monmouth.com> writes >>On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:37:07 -0500, "Tim Schaefer" <tschaefe@mindspring.com> >>wrote: >>+3. Sell from the bottom up, not the top down. >> >>While I agree with most of your other points, here I have to say that >>you are wrong. I know, I've been there; what you suggest does NOT >>work. >> >>In almost 10 years at Informix (now employed by an Informix partner), >>I can't count how many times we had the hearts and minds of the >>development staff, only to lose the sale because some VP with >>little to no technical knowledge decided on Oracle. Purchasing >>decisions are not made at the bottom, they are made at the top, so >>that HAS to be where the sales effort is expended to get sales. >> > > The company I work for has brought 4js to port out Informix software > to a GUI environment. > > As the main Informix developer in the company did I get a say? > > NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO > > Why did we buy it? > > Becuase a salesman did a presentation to > > a) The MD > b) The Sales Director > c) The Sales Manager for out Product > d) The project manager for out product > > > Who made the decision? > > The MD and the Sales Director because they have the power. How > technically aware are they? > > NOT! They thought move 4GL->NewEra would just need a recompile. > They thought Informix-4GL ran on NT.. > > We are a small business (~40-50) where most of the market is... > > Sales people many sales, not developers and we didn't > even see a consultant? > > Nuff said! > > > > > > >-- >David Williams > >Maintainer of the Informix FAQ > Primary site (Beta Version) http://www.smooth1.demon.co.uk > Official site http://www.iiug.org/techinfo/faq/faq_top.html > >I see you standin', Standin' on your own, It's such a lonely place for you, For >you to be If you need a shoulder, Or if you need a friend, I'll be here >standing, Until the bitter end... >So don't chastise me Or think I, I mean you harm... >All I ever wanted Was for you To know that I care Nils Myklebust NM Data AS Norway E-mail: Nils.Myklebust@nmdata.com