Re: Informix beats Oracle
This is a flame/advocacy thread, not a technical support thread. It begins with a claim that Oracle needs far more hardware than Informix IDS for the same work, plus jabs about Oracle's security patches and ALTER TABLE behaviour. Responses trade jokes about the 80/20 rule, running Oracle Enterprise Edition on a laptop with 512MB RAM, IDS running from a USB key or a PlayStation 3, job-market share, and Oracle downtime survey figures. No actual problem is diagnosed and no resolution is recorded.
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hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? That was true say 5 years ago and still is today; it may have become worse since then. reading eweek it takes them a lot of time and pissing of customers to fix security leaks, so i do not think they are able to make their perfomance any better...i had a great laugh when i saw obstacle perform an alter table... it barfed big time. It is a very good thing that informix gains momentum, at least customers can demand fixes for problems because valid and good competition is around the corner to pick up the peaces. i should not say the above too loud may be obstacle wakes up and decides to do something to improve their piece of shit. Superboer.
> hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? > That was true say 5 years ago and still is today; it may have become > worse since then. > reading eweek it takes them a lot of time and pissing of customers to > fix security leaks, > so i do not think they are able to make their perfomance any > better...i had a great laugh when i saw > obstacle perform an alter table... it barfed big time. > > It is a very good thing that informix gains momentum, at least > customers can demand fixes for problems > because valid and good competition is around the corner to pick up the > peaces. > i should not say the above too loud may be obstacle wakes up and > decides to do something to > improve their piece of shit. > > Superboer. > As Daniel pointed out earlier, most things follow the 80/20 rule. In this case Oracle performs 20% slower than IDS on 80% more hardware. Andrew
Andrew Ford wrote: > > As Daniel pointed out earlier, most things follow the 80/20 rule. In this > case Oracle performs 20% slower than IDS on 80% more hardware. > > Andrew > Now THAT was funny! :-) -t- -- -- Informix Dynamic Server Database Engine -- http://www.informix.com --
Superboer wrote: > hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? 512M of RAM and 3GB of disk on a single CPU Pentium too much for you? Perhaps you should find another line of work. <g> I have been running the full Enterprise Edition, plus JDeveloper, and other tools in my T43 ThinkPad for a year at least. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Andrew Ford wrote: >> hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? >> That was true say 5 years ago and still is today; it may have become >> worse since then. >> reading eweek it takes them a lot of time and pissing of customers to >> fix security leaks, >> so i do not think they are able to make their perfomance any >> better...i had a great laugh when i saw >> obstacle perform an alter table... it barfed big time. >> >> It is a very good thing that informix gains momentum, at least >> customers can demand fixes for problems >> because valid and good competition is around the corner to pick up the >> peaces. >> i should not say the above too loud may be obstacle wakes up and >> decides to do something to >> improve their piece of shit. >> >> Superboer. >> > > > As Daniel pointed out earlier, most things follow the 80/20 rule. In this > case Oracle performs 20% slower than IDS on 80% more hardware. > > Andrew Of course there is the occasional violation of the 80:20 rule. Such as the fact that those skilled in Oracle get more than 80% of the available jobs. Or that the Oracle salesforce gets more than 80% of new license revenue ... when up against Informix. But who's counting? <g> -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
> Superboer wrote: >> hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? > > 512M of RAM and 3GB of disk on a single CPU Pentium too much for you? > Perhaps you should find another line of work. <g> > > I have been running the full Enterprise Edition, plus JDeveloper, and > other tools in my T43 ThinkPad for a year at least. > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > University of Washington > damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) And does this instance do anything? SQL Server, MS Access and IDS Cheetah are installed and running on my laptop but they don't do anything important. I recall some similar nerdery when certain members of the IIUG board got a Cheetah instance up an running on a 512MB USB key (OS included) in between sessions at the IIUG conference this year. And for some 2D12+3 nerdery, get Oracle up and running on a PS3 (http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/gbowerman?entry=informix_on_playstation_3) and we'll talk. Andrew
> Andrew Ford wrote: >>> hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? >>> That was true say 5 years ago and still is today; it may have become >>> worse since then. >>> reading eweek it takes them a lot of time and pissing of customers to >>> fix security leaks, >>> so i do not think they are able to make their perfomance any >>> better...i had a great laugh when i saw >>> obstacle perform an alter table... it barfed big time. >>> >>> It is a very good thing that informix gains momentum, at least >>> customers can demand fixes for problems >>> because valid and good competition is around the corner to pick up the >>> peaces. >>> i should not say the above too loud may be obstacle wakes up and >>> decides to do something to >>> improve their piece of shit. >>> >>> Superboer. >>> >> >> >> As Daniel pointed out earlier, most things follow the 80/20 rule. In >> this >> case Oracle performs 20% slower than IDS on 80% more hardware. >> >> Andrew > > Of course there is the occasional violation of the 80:20 rule. > > Such as the fact that those skilled in Oracle get more than 80% of > the available jobs. Or that the Oracle salesforce gets more than 80% > of new license revenue ... when up against Informix. > > But who's counting? <g> > -- 80% of those skilled in hamburger administration get jobs at McDonald's and the McDonald's sales force gets more than 80% of the new hamburger sales in my area. However, I still prefer Hut's Hamburgers on 6th street because they are just better burgers even though McDonald's gets the lion's share of the hamburger making talent and sales. I've never had much of a problem finding Informix work when I wanted a job change. The jobs are out there and the employers are willing to pay for good talent. Must have something to do with not needing a lot of DBAs to manage a large number of IDS instances so there's money in the budget and managers don't get grief from their IDS DBs so everyone is happy. Take a look at the number of Mainframe Administrator jobs vs. Windows Administrator jobs and I'm sure you'll find similar numbers as Oracle vs. IDS. But would you argue that Windows is more stable/faster/scaleable than Mainframe based on the fact that there are more Windows admin jobs out there? Andrew However, a new survey of Oracle database sites find that close to nine out of 10 have experienced significant amounts of unplanned downtime over the past year, arising from infrastructure, application, and database issues. In some cases, these outages totaled more than 24 hours over a 12-month period. Along with unexpected problems, there were also times when databases needed to be intentionally powered down for maintenance or upgrade work. One out of four companies report that their systems were down more than 24 hours for planned downtime.
Andrew Ford wrote: >> Superboer wrote: >>> hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? >> 512M of RAM and 3GB of disk on a single CPU Pentium too much for you? >> Perhaps you should find another line of work. <g> >> >> I have been running the full Enterprise Edition, plus JDeveloper, and >> other tools in my T43 ThinkPad for a year at least. >> -- >> Daniel A. Morgan >> University of Washington >> damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > > And does this instance do anything? Yes. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Puget Sound Oracle Users Group www.psoug.org
> Andrew Ford wrote: >>> Superboer wrote: >>>> hmmm why does obstacle need 5 times the hardware that informix does.?? >>> 512M of RAM and 3GB of disk on a single CPU Pentium too much for you? >>> Perhaps you should find another line of work. <g> >>> >>> I have been running the full Enterprise Edition, plus JDeveloper, and >>> other tools in my T43 ThinkPad for a year at least. >>> -- >>> Daniel A. Morgan >>> University of Washington >>> damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) >> >> And does this instance do anything? > > Yes. > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > University of Washington > damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > Puget Sound Oracle Users Group > www.psoug.org Care to elaborate?