RE: Insider #75: Highlights: IBM Information On Demand 2006, The Next Informix IDS Release...
Not a technical problem thread at all: it's a community discussion following the Insider #75 newsletter about why conference (IDUG/IOD) attendance fees are a barrier, especially for users in lower-income countries. Participants debate region-based pricing indexes, note DB2 attendees also complain about cost, and argue the real issue is IBM's weak promotion of Informix making managers reluctant to fund travel. A joke about Informix having multiple code bases sparks a side exchange about DB2's three code bases and sense of humour. No resolution or action is recorded.
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Jean Georges, I don't think it is a question of setting an index and pricing according to where the people come from. That would generate a big market in paper companies ostensibly based in the poorest country of the world. But this is exactly the same problem that we had in trying to fix a membership fee for IIUG - oh so many years ago. What we really need to consider - as a newsgroup and as IIUG - is that we have a diverse audience. Some may be prepared to pay to attend conferences - others might find financing such a venture difficult. Some might have ample time to attend conferences. Some are managing a number of IDS servers single-handedly and our absence needs a lot of justification. Some want highly technical presentations to justify the expense of both time and money. Some would be lost with these advanced topics and would like to have lower level presentations. It has been commented that there weren't many UK informix users at the conference as well as a shortage of croatians. It would be worth seeing figures of the numbers of attendees from each country and for proper comparison how many licences have been sold in those countries and the average salary of a DBA in those countries and even how many IIUG members there are in those countries. Perhaps the IIUG could try to publish those figures. I am sure it would be an interesting exercise collecting the data :-) But being realistic the apathy towards Informix is a major factor. I can't persuade the powers that be to let me attend an Informix conference - but if it was Microsoft.... Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Jean Georges Perrin Sent: 09 October 2006 12:22 To: Davorin Kremenjas; informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: Insider #75: Highlights: IBM Information On Demand 2006,The Next Informix IDS Release... I also agree with Malcolm, however it is very very complex to set a system like that. what would be the reference? UK having an index of 100? Belgium 80? Croatia 30? France (well you need to pay them to make them move)... Another comment was that there are less tracks for Informix than DB2, so should we price proportionnally? IIUG can take all those positive and constructive ideas and propose some changes to IDUG. jgp On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:11:54 +0200, Davorin Kremenjas wrote > "malcolm weallans" <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote in message > news:mailman.74.1160152453.29455.informix-list@iiug.org... > > John, > > I don't think our croatian friend was objecting to having to pay. > > It's > > just > > that it's a lot of money. I don't know what Croatian salaries are like > > but > > I think they are probably a lot less than a DBA would get in UK. > > Exactly. > I wish I said these few sentences as clear as you did, it would > cause much less confusion. > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list -- jgp _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
"malcolm weallans" <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:mailman.88.1160419634.29455.informix-list@iiug.org... >> Jean Georges, I don't think it is a question of setting an index and >> pricing according to where the people come from. The real question we shuld be addressing is scottishpoet's: Why is the same "pricing too high" objection not being voiced by the DB2 attendees? >> But being realistic the apathy towards Informix is a major factor. I >> can't persuade the powers that be to let me attend an Informix conference - but if it was Microsoft.... And this, I fear, is the answer. IBM is reaping what is has sown in its failure - and make no mistake, its continued failure, no matter what half-hearted measures you may read - to promote Informix. This will change if, and only, if, IBM promotes Informix to new customers, and gives it the profile accorded DB2.
The DB2 people are saying it's too expensive Paul Watson Tel: +44 1414161772 Mob: +44 7818003457 Web: www.oninit.com GO FURTHER with DB2 GET THERE FASTER with Informix. Attend IDUG 2007 San Jose, North America May 6-10, 2006 Visit http://www.iiug.org/conf for more information. > -----Original Message----- > From: Captain Pedantic [mailto:theharlequin36@hotmail.com] > Posted At: 09 October 2006 14:29 > Posted To: comp.databases.informix > Conversation: Insider #75: Highlights: IBM Information On > Demand 2006,The Next Informix IDS Release... > Subject: Re: Insider #75: Highlights: IBM Information On > Demand 2006,The Next Informix IDS Release... > > > "malcolm weallans" <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote in > message news:mailman.88.1160419634.29455.informix-list@iiug.org... > > >> Jean Georges, I don't think it is a question of setting an > index and > >> pricing > according to where the people come from. > > The real question we shuld be addressing is scottishpoet's: > Why is the same "pricing too high" objection not being voiced > by the DB2 attendees? > > >> But being realistic the apathy towards Informix is a major > factor. I > >> can't > persuade the powers that be to let me attend an Informix > conference - but if it was Microsoft.... > > And this, I fear, is the answer. IBM is reaping what is has > sown in its failure - and make no mistake, its continued > failure, no matter what half-hearted measures you may read - > to promote Informix. This will change if, and only, if, IBM > promotes Informix to new customers, and gives it the profile > accorded DB2. > >
Captain Pedantic wrote: > "malcolm weallans" <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote in message > news:mailman.88.1160419634.29455.informix-list@iiug.org... > >>> Jean Georges, I don't think it is a question of setting an index and >>> pricing > according to where the people come from. > > The real question we shuld be addressing is scottishpoet's: Why is the same > "pricing too high" objection not being voiced by the DB2 attendees? > >>> But being realistic the apathy towards Informix is a major factor. I >>> can't > persuade the powers that be to let me attend an Informix conference - but if > it was Microsoft.... > > And this, I fear, is the answer. IBM is reaping what is has sown in its > failure - and make no mistake, its continued failure, no matter what > half-hearted measures you may read - to promote Informix. This will change > if, and only, if, IBM promotes Informix to new customers, and gives it the > profile accorded DB2. > > If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for Oracle and DB2.
Double Echo wrote: > If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more > people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. > Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for > Oracle and DB2. Pre-emptive strike: DB2 has three code bases (iSeries, zOS and Linux/Unix/Windows). I don't believe in this correlation.... Does MS have a dedicated SQL Server conference to begin with? Cheers serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab IOD Conference http://www.ibm.com/software/data/ondemandbusiness/conf2006/
Double Echo said: > If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more > people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. > Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for > Oracle and DB2. Pure class! -- Bye now, Obnoxio "... no bill is required as no value was provided." -- Christine Normile -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
Serge Rielau said: > Double Echo wrote: >> If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more >> people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. >> Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for >> Oracle and DB2. > Pre-emptive strike: DB2 has three code bases (iSeries, zOS and > Linux/Unix/Windows). > > I don't believe in this correlation.... Does MS have a dedicated SQL > Server conference to begin with? Germans: no sense of humour. Canadians: no sense of humour. Canadian Germans: ... -- Bye now, Obnoxio "... no bill is required as no value was provided." -- Christine Normile -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Serge Rielau said: >> Double Echo wrote: >> >> I don't believe in this correlation.... Does MS have a dedicated SQL >> Server conference to begin with? > > Germans: no sense of humour. > Canadians: no sense of humour. > Canadian Germans: ... Double negatives - make a positive..... ;-) >
> -----Original Message----- > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list- > bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Double Echo > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 23:35 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Insider #75: Highlights: IBM Information On Demand 2006, The > NextInformix IDS Release... > ... > > If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more > people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. > Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for > Oracle and DB2. Better read that than be blind! Have you seen what Oracle is selling? No wonder Oracle expo is bigger. It would be like IBM (THE Company) would make only ONE conference every year.
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Serge Rielau said: >> Double Echo wrote: >>> If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more >>> people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. >>> Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for >>> Oracle and DB2. >> Pre-emptive strike: DB2 has three code bases (iSeries, zOS and >> Linux/Unix/Windows). >> >> I don't believe in this correlation.... Does MS have a dedicated SQL >> Server conference to begin with? > > Germans: no sense of humour. > Canadians: no sense of humour. > Canadian Germans: ... > Are you saying DE is a humorous guy? If so his sense of humor is indeed lost on me. Irony doesn't work when it's covered my ranting. Cheers Serge PS: I'm not Canadian. I'm French-German. -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab IOD Conference http://www.ibm.com/software/data/ondemandbusiness/conf2006/
Serge Rielau wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Serge Rielau said: >>> Double Echo wrote: >>>> If Informix only had one code base like the other database engines more >>>> people would buy it and the conference attendance would be higher. >>>> Microsoft == one code base == high conference attendance. Same for >>>> Oracle and DB2. >>> Pre-emptive strike: DB2 has three code bases (iSeries, zOS and >>> Linux/Unix/Windows). >>> >>> I don't believe in this correlation.... Does MS have a dedicated SQL >>> Server conference to begin with? >> >> Germans: no sense of humour. >> Canadians: no sense of humour. >> Canadian Germans: ... >> > Are you saying DE is a humorous guy? If so his sense of humor is indeed > lost on me. Irony doesn't work when it's covered my ranting. > > Cheers > Serge > > PS: I'm not Canadian. I'm French-German. It _was_ actually a joke Serge, for smart people.
Serge Rielau said: > Are you saying DE is a humorous guy? Not always. But in this particular case... -- Bye now, Obnoxio "... no bill is required as no value was provided." -- Christine Normile -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.