Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com]

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Jul 30, 1:42 pm, Fernando Nunes <domusonl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I always had the idea that in Portugal half of us are doing the wrong thing and >> the other half is criticizing the first half (and that these halves were >> interchanging). >> > Sounds like a personal problem to me. ;-) > >> I now see that this is not a country specific issue... The main difference here >> is that the halves seem static... >> > LOL... Well this is what you get when you globalize the workforce. > I mean some places are behind the times. Like watching OTC rant about > setting up a disaster recovery plan. > I haven't had to do one since '96 for a client. But then I was in > charge of their midrange systems. > Then it was a hot topic in '01, and now again in '08? At least in the > UK. I guess the EU is catching up to us paranoid yanks. ;-) > >> I will not contradict you in your main point: IBM database magazine still has >> mostly DB2 content. But you can find IDS, IMS, DB2 in Z/OS, Data Studio etc. in >> there... >> > > Oh gee wilikers mr. wizard I feel so great full that such a luminary > like yourself concedes the point of my post. > > DB2 means DB2 on AS/400 aka i-Series, DB2 on OS-390/zOS and even Linux > on the mainframe . > I'm shocked that you're interpreting DB2 to mean just distributed. Tsk > Tsk. Didn't you get Janet's memo that DB2 on the mainframe and as400 > is *practically* the same product that runs in the distributed > environment? (That was put out circa 2001-2002 time frame. I was sure > that the news would have hit EMEA by now! > (Note the sarcasm) > > IMS? Wow. I thought Kim Skarda's group got all dem IMS folks to > convert to DB2... ;-) (Again, Note the sarcasm and its an inside joke) > > What's really interesting junior is that I could care less what you > think or how you respond. Excuse my limited English... "Junior" is an American term to refer to the ones who don't agree with you or just show that you're wrong? > My target audience isn't you or Serge. There are a few people who > don't post but do read what's being said on C.D.I. And of course, > their pay grade is much higher than yours. That's precisely why I showed that you didn't get the facts right. If the readers were only you, me and Serge I wouldn't have bothered... > So why don't you and a couple of other slogs sing the virtues of IDS > in non IBM forums? I see Billy is now doing a blog on Eric's site. Why > not you? After all, you work with IDS all day? Moi? I'm being paid to "Why not me"? This is a great example of your level of knowledge... I suggest you ask Google a few questions about Informix... And for the record, I don't spend all day with IDS... It allows me to do a lot more. > write code in Java, Python and a little bit of PL/SQL for a client > who's an Oracle shop that has their heads in the clouds now. (You > figure *that* one out.) I'm also busy on other projects, including one > where I've got to learn PostgresSQL since its free and does what the > client wants right out of the box. > > I would have to say that the reason I'm probably more of a skeptic is > that I've seen this run around time and time again. Going all the way > back to the early 90's. > > > But hey! What do I know? At my client, I let it slip that I can write > ksh scripts and now I'm being hounded by everyone to help fix their > problems. After all they're just Java developers. ;-) And all this is very interesting, but the facts are that your post idea is wrong: There have been an increasing number of "Informix points" in the mails you referenced, and specifically the example provided doesn't contain "80% DB2" -- Fernando Nunes Junior Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

> And all this is very interesting, but the facts are that your post idea is > wrong: There have been an increasing number of "Informix points" in the mails > you referenced, and specifically the example provided doesn't contain "80% DB2" Don't want to 'throw oil on the fire' but Gumby isn't completely wrong. Today I received the IBM IOD newsletter: http://www-931.ibm.com/tela/webmail/Newsletter/3739/11320 I find Informix once mentioned as a side note to a SQL Workshop offered and I find DB2 mentioned about 8 times. What bothers me most is the fact that the DB2 9.5 certifications are praised and you get great discounts for it and the IDS V11 certification isn't even mentioned. Looking at the fantastic sales growth of Informix during the last 2 years (at least here in Germany) I would expect a little bit more balance from the 'Vice President, IBM Information Management Marketing' who wrote this newsletter. IBM, please name the cow that is giving the milk !

As I said. DB2 mag and other IBM related info has more content about DB2 than IDS. I wrote this in my first post. But the emails were not a very good example, and the values were wrong. I don't expect people to publish stuff only after being sure that it's 50/50... :) And if we ever get more IDS than DB2 this discussion will probably show up on the DB2 groups :) There are much more IDS contents on the net than there were 1 year ago (and you have the "Lion share" with informix-zone.com). This is an ongoing effort... I was very pleased to see Spokey "again"... So... Should we be happy? A bit. Should we take a rest? No! :) Regards, On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:43 AM, <eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote: > > And all this is very interesting, but the facts are that your post idea > is > > wrong: There have been an increasing number of "Informix points" in the > mails > > you referenced, and specifically the example provided doesn't contain > "80% DB2" > > Don't want to 'throw oil on the fire' but Gumby isn't completely > wrong. > Today I received the IBM IOD newsletter: > > http://www-931.ibm.com/tela/webmail/Newsletter/3739/11320 > > I find Informix once mentioned as a side note to a SQL Workshop > offered and I find > DB2 mentioned about 8 times. > > What bothers me most is the fact that the DB2 9.5 certifications are > praised and you get > great discounts for it and the IDS V11 certification isn't even > mentioned. > > Looking at the fantastic sales growth of Informix during the last 2 > years (at least here in > Germany) I would expect a little bit more balance from the 'Vice > President, IBM Information > Management Marketing' who wrote this newsletter. > > IBM, please name the cow that is giving the milk ! > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > -- -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

On 1 Aug., 12:04, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonl...@gmail.com> wrote: > As I said. DB2 mag and other IBM related info has more content about DB2 > than IDS. > I wrote this in my first post. > But the emails were not a very good example, and the values were wrong. > I don't expect people to publish stuff only after being sure that it's > 50/50... :) > And if we ever get more IDS than DB2 this discussion will probably show up > on the DB2 groups :) I don't expect to get 50/50 but we should at least get 25/75 as there is one data server called IDS and three other data servers (DB2 LUW, DB2 iSeries and DB2 z/OS) that share the same abbreviation (DB2) but the only thing they have in common is that they speak SQL. Regardless what IBM tries to suggest - DB2 isn't DB2 :-) > > There are much more IDS contents on the net than there were 1 year ago (and > you have the "Lion share" with informix-zone.com). > This is an ongoing effort... I was very pleased to see Spokey "again"... I'm also very pleased to have Spokey on board and he does a tremendous job. If he continues to write his blog entries in the same frequency, I might need to upgrade by webspace account to get more storage :-) > > So... Should we be happy? A bit. Should we take a rest? No! :) > I agree - Who doesn't fight has already lost.

On Jul 31, 9:07 pm, Fernando Nunes <s...@onlinedomus.net> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > On Jul 30, 1:42 pm, Fernando Nunes <domusonl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I always had the idea that in Portugal half of us are doing the wrong thing and > >> the other half is criticizing the first half (and that these halves were > >> interchanging). > > > Sounds like a personal problem to me. ;-) > > >> I now see that this is not a country specific issue... The main difference here > >> is that the halves seem static... > > > LOL... Well this is what you get when you globalize the workforce. > > I mean some places are behind the times. Like watching OTC rant about > > setting up a disaster recovery plan. > > I haven't had to do one since '96 for a client. But then I was in > > charge of their midrange systems. > > Then it was a hot topic in '01, and now again in '08? At least in the > > UK. I guess the EU is catching up to us paranoid yanks. ;-) > > >> I will not contradict you in your main point: IBM database magazine still has > >> mostly DB2 content. But you can find IDS, IMS, DB2 in Z/OS, Data Studio etc. in > >> there... > > > Oh gee wilikers mr. wizard I feel so great full that such a luminary > > like yourself concedes the point of my post. > > > DB2 means DB2 on AS/400 aka i-Series, DB2 on OS-390/zOS and even Linux > > on the mainframe . > > I'm shocked that you're interpreting DB2 to mean just distributed. Tsk > > Tsk. Didn't you get Janet's memo that DB2 on the mainframe and as400 > > is *practically* the same product that runs in the distributed > > environment? (That was put out circa 2001-2002 time frame. I was sure > > that the news would have hit EMEA by now! > > (Note the sarcasm) > > > IMS? Wow. I thought Kim Skarda's group got all dem IMS folks to > > convert to DB2... ;-) (Again, Note the sarcasm and its an inside joke) > > > What's really interesting junior is that I could care less what you > > think or how you respond. > > Excuse my limited English... "Junior" is an American term to refer to the ones > who don't agree with you or just show that you're wrong? > Its a slag term to mean youth. And how exactly did you prove me wrong? You conceded to the point of the article that 80% of the highlighted articles are on DB2 and not IDS. Again, I don't want to confuse you but if you weren't around when the acquisition occurred, Janet's message was that DB2, regardless of the platform shares most (90%) of their codebase and 10% of the code base was platform specific. DB2 is DB2 is DB2. You mentioned IMS, which as a legacy system seems to have almost disappeared due to migration of... DB2 on the mainframe. Or they just replaced the old legacy system with something completely different. If you didn't catch the Kim Skarda reference, then you really don't know about the migration team he once lead. Again, its an inside reference that maybe a handful of people understood its humor. > > My target audience isn't you or Serge. There are a few people who > > don't post but do read what's being said on C.D.I. And of course, > > their pay grade is much higher than yours. > > That's precisely why I showed that you didn't get the facts right. > If the readers were only you, me and Serge I wouldn't have bothered... > LOL... You still don't get it. I'm not wrong. You're just too slow on the uptake to realize it. History will prove me right, as it has in the past. Those who don't post and who's vote count know that I know more than I talk about. They dont' want to believe what I say to be true, but that I've told them how to correct part of the problem. > > So why don't you and a couple of other slogs sing the virtues of IDS > > in non IBM forums? I see Billy is now doing a blog on Eric's site. Why > > not you? After all, you work with IDS all day? Moi? I'm being paid to > > "Why not me"? > This is a great example of your level of knowledge... I suggest you ask Google > a few questions about Informix... > And for the record, I don't spend all day with IDS... It allows me to do a lot > more. > LOL... Well there you have it. You have the free time yet you don't spend it doing something constructive. It means that you're overpaid for your work and thus overcharging the client. ;-) You don't have an excuse for not writing an article. Unless of course you're too busy getting cross certified on DB2 so you can advance your band rating. Like I said, I'm too busy saving the world from wanks who blindly follow their Navigation unit and drive in to water features. Now only those with Tele-Atlas do that. (You'd have to read the old WSJ article on that.) > > write code in Java, Python and a little bit of PL/SQL for a client > > who's an Oracle shop that has their heads in the clouds now. (You > > figure *that* one out.) I'm also busy on other projects, including one > > where I've got to learn PostgresSQL since its free and does what the > > client wants right out of the box. > > > I would have to say that the reason I'm probably more of a skeptic is > > that I've seen this run around time and time again. Going all the way > > back to the early 90's. > > > But hey! What do I know? At my client, I let it slip that I can write > > ksh scripts and now I'm being hounded by everyone to help fix their > > problems. After all they're just Java developers. ;-) > > And all this is very interesting, but the facts are that your post idea is > wrong: There have been an increasing number of "Informix points" in the mails > you referenced, and specifically the example provided doesn't contain "80% DB2" > Silly boy. You still show your ignorance. (read the e-mail and 4 out of 5 aka 80% of the highlighted posts deal with DB2) But I digress. You wish to praise the feable work being done to "turn" this issue around. ... Let me spell it out for you. Who reads DB2Mag er I mean Information Management Mag? Its a CMP publication, but who's the target audience? So how is this expanding your base? Its nearly as bad as publishing Red Books, but nothing to be sold at the local retailer. If you don't grok that point, don't give up your day job as a trained monkey of a DBA. You'll never understand sales or product marketing. You take pride in your ignorance and I thought that was only an American thing. I posted a link to a CNET News.com article that talks about senior exec's gaffs and transference. I posted here a while back that if Jerry K, Alyse, et al were serious about IDS, they would change the FLMs PBCs to increase the number of cross certified IDS IT Specialists. Hasn't happened in over a year and they should have the clout to do it at any time. That's a key deal. What I said was a short hand IBM speak. You may not know what I said, but you can bet you bottom dollar that Jerry K, Cathy Elliot, Alyse, and definitely Kevin Painter if he's still in the picture. But hey! What do I know? Clearly more than I'm legally allowed to say. ;-)

On Aug 1, 3:43 am, e...@herber-consulting.de wrote: > > And all this is very interesting, but the facts are that your post idea is > > wrong: There have been an increasing number of "Informix points" in the mails > > you referenced, and specifically the example provided doesn't contain "80% DB2" > > Don't want to 'throw oil on the fire' but Gumby isn't completely > wrong. > Today I received the IBM IOD newsletter: > Thanks. You have to understand that Gumby is a persona. It was a character I created specifically to poke fun of Finnochio and Dexmier. Only why stop there when the incompetence continues. Yes, I mock IM Management. I show you that they wear no clothes. (metaphorically speaking) So who's really to blame for the ineffectual marketing message? Top of the list is Alyse P. But I digress. You should know by now that I'm to be taken with a grain of kosher salt. ;-) -G BTW, Here's a tech tip you won't see on OTC's website. If you want to reverse engineer IDS's disk layout, you create a small chuck. Populate it with a known set of data of a known size. Take down the engine and use dd and od to look at the page layout. ;-)

On Aug 1, 5:04 am, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonl...@gmail.com> wrote: > As I said. DB2 mag and other IBM related info has more content about DB2 > than IDS. > I wrote this in my first post. > But the emails were not a very good example, and the values were wrong. > I don't expect people to publish stuff only after being sure that it's > 50/50... :) > And if we ever get more IDS than DB2 this discussion will probably show up > on the DB2 groups :) > > There are much more IDS contents on the net than there were 1 year ago (and > you have the "Lion share" with informix-zone.com). > This is an ongoing effort... I was very pleased to see Spokey "again"... > > So... Should we be happy? A bit. Should we take a rest? No! :) > Sigh. You still miss the point. I pick on DB2Mag err IM Mag because its a controlled mag that is "outside" of IBM. (Its a CMP publication). But if you look at its target audience, who do you see? If you truly took time to answer that question, you will see that you're preaching to your choir. Guy Bowerman's blog is on IBM's website. So again, preaching to the choir. Not really good if you're trying to fill the pews with new folks. So You have some segment of an "internal" magazine that now has more Informix articles? LOL. That's not going to get the word out. IBMs IM marketing team doesn't truly understand the issue of viral marketing or even a grassroots marketing campaign.I understand their pain. They don't have a marketing budget and the best thing they did was to fund the IIUG. (That's the closest they've come to a "grassroots" campaign.) You say I don't do anything but whine. Au contraire! I recommended this book: http://www.amazon.com/Under-Radar-Talking-Cynical-Consumer/dp/0471174696 Its a short easy read. It should open their eyes on how to reach outside of their core market. Its actually a good read for anyone who's trying to sell anything. Will it give you the answer? No. It will however, get your brain working and then you can come up with a really good idea. To give you an example... I joked about creating a "mocumentary/ documentary" where the interviewer went to some of Informix's major customers, only to be thrown out. Or if they get an "interview", the other person's face was blocked and voice altered. (But use the real people and ask real questions, and taking their answers verbatim.) If done right, you could actually show it at a film festival. If not done right. You now have multiple YouTube videos that would be hilarious. Don't need much of a budget. Just a frontman, cameraman, sound... And a bus/van to go cross country. Then some time in the editing room. Didn't happen. What they did do was a short video (one) of a guy trying to "interview" someone at a "company" but was "thrown out" by security from a nondescript building. The whole joke and tag line "Informix: IT's dirty little secret" was wasted. (Of course Stu tried to give someone else credit for that idea. Fancy that....) While its a silly idea, you have something that can get a message out. There's more to this, but I'm not going to explain it here. Yet this isn't going to help with IBM's other major problem... Igniting the sales force. Article on IBM's website, "all hands tech- calls", yada yada yada, don't work. Trust me, I've been there and done that. Don't see anyone else posting who've sat through these calls, pipeline calls, etc ... The bottom line, IBM management has been told this specifically yet they ignore the information and continue to plod ahead because well, I don't know why. Maybe they're all just waiting to retire. Again, sorry for the rant. Fernado, you want to accuse me of not doing anything? LOL. Junior, if you're as good as you think you are, try flipping to what IBM calls a Services Sales Specialist. Maybe if you're experienced, you'd be called a Senior Services Sales Specialist. Of course, any time you try to do anything technical, they slap your hands. Even when you're more technical than the consultant you're selling, or the IT Architect who's doing a power point presentation. ;-) Yeah junior. Go be cross matrixed to S&D for 5 years. Then compare notes. EMEA is different from NA , but I'll wager you'll start to grok the problem over time. The only major difference is that by this time, Alan Grady may have gotten the SWG services contracts ironed out. But hey! What do I know? ;-) -G

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Aug 1, 3:43 am, e...@herber-consulting.de wrote: >>> And all this is very interesting, but the facts are that your post idea is >>> wrong: There have been an increasing number of "Informix points" in the mails >>> you referenced, and specifically the example provided doesn't contain "80% DB2" >> Don't want to 'throw oil on the fire' but Gumby isn't completely >> wrong. >> Today I received the IBM IOD newsletter: >> > Thanks. > > You have to understand that Gumby is a persona. It was a character I > created specifically to poke fun of Finnochio and Dexmier. Only why > stop there when the incompetence continues. > > Yes, I mock IM Management. I show you that they wear no clothes. > (metaphorically speaking) So who's really to blame for the ineffectual > marketing message? > Top of the list is Alyse P. > > But I digress. > > You should know by now that I'm to be taken with a grain of kosher > salt. ;-) > > -G > > BTW, Here's a tech tip you won't see on OTC's website. If you want to > reverse engineer IDS's disk layout, you create a small chuck. Populate > it with a known set of data of a known size. Take down the engine and > use dd and od to look at the page layout. ;-) > You could of course look in the manual. IBM Informix Dynamic Server v11.10 Information Center http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/idshelp/v111/topic/com.ibm.help.ic.doc/using_system/opensearch_plugin.html Search on "disk structure".

> From: theBP@Usenet-News.Net > Subject: Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com] > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:55:45 +0100 > To: informix-list@iiug.org [SNIP] > You could of course look in the manual. > > IBM Informix Dynamic Server v11.10 Information Center > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/idshelp/v111/topic/com.ibm.help.ic.doc/using_system/opensearch_plugin.html > > Search on "disk structure". > Not everything gets published. ;-) But also.. by playing with the disks, you can develop and test code for in house tools. But not many DBAs today have the skills to play at the deep down level. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008

Ian Michael Gumby said: > BTW, Here's a tech tip you won't see on OTC's website. If you want to > reverse engineer IDS's disk layout, you create a small chuck. Populate > it with a known set of data of a known size. Take down the engine and > use dd and od to look at the page layout. ;-) Gosh, I've been doing that for years. Did you only discover that now? -- Bye now, Obnoxio http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > From: theBP@Usenet-News.Net > > Subject: Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from > [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com] > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:55:45 +0100 > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > [SNIP] > > You could of course look in the manual. > > > > IBM Informix Dynamic Server v11.10 Information Center > > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/idshelp/v111/topic/com.ibm.help.ic.doc/using_system/opensearch_plugin.html > > > > Search on "disk structure". > > > Not everything gets published. ;-) > > But also.. by playing with the disks, you can develop and test code for > in house tools. > > But not many DBAs today have the skills to play at the deep down level. ;-) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. IM anytime > you're online. > <http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008>; TBP: "Good morning, IBM Informix Tech Support, this is the Big Potatoe speaking." IMG: "Hi, I've just used my in house tools to amend my chunks and I've cocked it up." TBP: "Aha. Aha. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...." IMG: "Fuck." (More generally) ... ANON: "This instance won't start up | I can't access my table" TBP: "Has anything changed?" ANON: "No" ... {This looks like a fecked instance} ... TBP: "There appears to be data which is not in a recognized format, do you have a backup" ANON: "Oh yes, I took a dd lunch time yesterday during the busy period, sequentially of my chunks" ... {This looks like a fecked backup strategy} ... TBP: "Oh, it sounds like your backup strategy is not appropriate either technically or for your business needs" ANON: "It worked on our test environment, oh well, can you fix it?" TBP: "Well, I would strongly recommend going to a valid backup method in future." ANON: "Would it help if I mentioned that I tried to get rid of an index by deleting the entry from sysindexes and blanking out the name on the tblspace tblspace?"

Silly Git. This isn't something you do on production. Its something you do on a test box. If your reread my post you'd see where I said you'd set up a small chunk with a known set of data. I guess I assumed that you would parse that as "A play system". I guess you need to have a couple of pints in you to understand. > From: theBP@Usenet-News.Net> Subject: Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com]> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:03:18 +0100> To: informix-list@iiug.org> > Ian Michael Gumby wrote:> > > > > > > From: theBP@Usenet-News.Net> > > Subject: Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from > > [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com]> > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:55:45 +0100> > > To: informix-list@iiug.org> > [SNIP]> > > You could of course look in the manual.> > >> > > IBM Informix Dynamic Server v11.10 Information Center> > >> > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/idshelp/v111/topic/com.ibm.help.ic.doc/using_system/opensearch_plugin.html>; > >> > > Search on "disk structure".> > >> > Not everything gets published. ;-)> > > > But also.. by playing with the disks, you can develop and test code for > > in house tools.> > > > But not many DBAs today have the skills to play at the deep down level. ;-)> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. IM anytime > > you're online. > > <http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008>>; > TBP: "Good morning, IBM Informix Tech Support, this is the Big Potatoe speaking."> IMG: "Hi, I've just used my in house tools to amend my chunks and I've cocked it up."> TBP: "Aha. Aha. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...."> IMG: "Fuck."> > (More generally)> > ...> > ANON: "This instance won't start up | I can't access my table"> TBP: "Has anything changed?"> ANON: "No"> ... {This looks like a fecked instance} ...> TBP: "There appears to be data which is not in a recognized format, do you have a backup"> ANON: "Oh yes, I took a dd lunch time yesterday during the busy period, sequentially of my chunks"> ... {This looks like a fecked backup strategy} ...> TBP: "Oh, it sounds like your backup strategy is not appropriate either technically or for your business needs"> ANON: "It worked on our test environment, oh well, can you fix it?"> TBP: "Well, I would strongly recommend going to a valid backup method in future."> ANON: "Would it help if I mentioned that I tried to get rid of an index by deleting the entry from sysindexes and blanking out the > name on the tblspace tblspace?"> > _______________________________________________> Informix-list mailing list> Informix-list@iiug.org> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > Silly Git. > > This isn't something you do on production. > Its something you do on a test box. > > If your reread my post you'd see where I said you'd set up a small chunk > with a known set of data. > I guess I assumed that you would parse that as "A play system". > Quote : "But also.. by playing with the disks, you can develop and test code for in house tools." You know, I almost developed respect for you, but then ... nah, I think you must have been in sales or management.

> From: theBP@Usenet-News.Net > Subject: Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com] > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:22:35 +0100 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > Silly Git. > > > > This isn't something you do on production. > > Its something you do on a test box. > > > > If your reread my post you'd see where I said you'd set up a small chunk > > with a known set of data. > > I guess I assumed that you would parse that as "A play system". > > > Quote : > > "But also.. by playing with the disks, you can develop and test code for in house tools." > > You know, I almost developed respect for you, but then ... nah, I think you must have been in sales or management. I live in both worlds. I split my free time mentoring both junior developers and sales reps. _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Jul 31, 9:07 pm, Fernando Nunes <s...@onlinedomus.net> wrote: >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>> On Jul 30, 1:42 pm, Fernando Nunes <domusonl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I always had the idea that in Portugal half of us are doing the wrong thing and >>>> the other half is criticizing the first half (and that these halves were >>>> interchanging). >>> Sounds like a personal problem to me. ;-) >>>> I now see that this is not a country specific issue... The main difference here >>>> is that the halves seem static... >>> LOL... Well this is what you get when you globalize the workforce. >>> I mean some places are behind the times. Like watching OTC rant about >>> setting up a disaster recovery plan. >>> I haven't had to do one since '96 for a client. But then I was in >>> charge of their midrange systems. >>> Then it was a hot topic in '01, and now again in '08? At least in the >>> UK. I guess the EU is catching up to us paranoid yanks. ;-) >>>> I will not contradict you in your main point: IBM database magazine still has >>>> mostly DB2 content. But you can find IDS, IMS, DB2 in Z/OS, Data Studio etc. in >>>> there... >>> Oh gee wilikers mr. wizard I feel so great full that such a luminary >>> like yourself concedes the point of my post. >>> DB2 means DB2 on AS/400 aka i-Series, DB2 on OS-390/zOS and even Linux >>> on the mainframe . >>> I'm shocked that you're interpreting DB2 to mean just distributed. Tsk >>> Tsk. Didn't you get Janet's memo that DB2 on the mainframe and as400 >>> is *practically* the same product that runs in the distributed >>> environment? (That was put out circa 2001-2002 time frame. I was sure >>> that the news would have hit EMEA by now! >>> (Note the sarcasm) >>> IMS? Wow. I thought Kim Skarda's group got all dem IMS folks to >>> convert to DB2... ;-) (Again, Note the sarcasm and its an inside joke) >>> What's really interesting junior is that I could care less what you >>> think or how you respond. >> Excuse my limited English... "Junior" is an American term to refer to the ones >> who don't agree with you or just show that you're wrong? >> > Its a slag term to mean youth. And how exactly did you prove me wrong? > You conceded to the point of the article that 80% of the highlighted > articles are on DB2 and not IDS. Just "youth"? Oh.. Thanks...I'll get over it... as time passes by... > You don't have an excuse for not writing an article. Unless of course > you're too busy getting cross certified on DB2 so you can advance your > band rating. Where do you want me to publish an article? And what would be the advantage of writing there instead of my usual spot? How do people find info these days? -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...