IDS 10.x on HP 11.23
A user upgrading to IDS 10.x asked whether the PA-RISC build of IDS for HP-UX 11.23 would also run on Itanium, given vendor claims of binary compatibility. The consensus answer: no. PA-RISC binaries run on Itanium only under the 'aries' emulator, which is slow and unreliable for multithreaded apps like IDS — reports of the engine hanging before reaching online state, failing installs, and risk of database damage; PA-RISC and Itanium objects/libraries (UDRs, DataBlades, CSDK) can't be mixed. Recommended approach is to install the native build on each architecture (same version/patch level, 9.40+ 64-bit), after which the database can be moved between machines by switching disks/SAN volumes, which several posters had done successfully, including under MC/ServiceGuard.
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We are upgrading to IDS 10.x - whatever the latest version is, as well as upgrading our OS to HPUX 11.23 on PA RISC. We have been told by our vendor that HPUX 11.23 is binary compatible between PA RISC and ITANIUM so supposedly our software will run on both. Does anybody have experience on whether the version of IDS ported for 11.23 on PA RISC will also work on 11.23 on ITANIUM? Comments in general about claims of compatibility between PA RISC and ITANIUM?
Hi, On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:41 -0500, ANTHONY JUDISH wrote: > We are upgrading to IDS 10.x - whatever the latest version is, as well as > upgrading our OS to HPUX 11.23 on PA RISC. We have been told by our vendor > that HPUX 11.23 is binary compatible between PA RISC and ITANIUM so supposedly > our software will run on both. Does anybody have experience on whether the > version of IDS ported for 11.23 on PA RISC will also work on 11.23 on ITANIUM? > Comments in general about claims of compatibility between PA RISC and ITANIUM? > On last 3 months I reconfigured and done MC/SG cluster between PA-RISC an Itanium. All works OK, but IBM support suggest/preffered that version IDS will be the same on PA-RISC and Itanium and higer than 9.x. In my env I migrated/switched only IDS 9.40FC7 between PA-RISC and Itanium. I switched only volume/disk/SAN group between PA-RISC an Itanium, all works OK. (MC/SG cluster works also OK) Read link below: http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/tech/tech_TechDocumentDetailPage_IDX/1,1701,9928, 00.html http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=630&context=SSGU8G&dc=DB520&uid=swg2 1255891&loc=en_US&cs=UTF-8&lang=en&rss=ct630db2 In others things you are read post in last 0,5 year. > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > Best regards HP-UX/Informix Admin -- wkg
we run IDS 10.0 fc4 on HP-UX 11.23 on ITANIUM. We first installed without knowing the PA-RISC version and definitely it failed. It is possible to install but broke down suddenly. Even or provider did not know the difference. Kind regards R. Hegewald
We are toying around with the idea of a poor mans HA solution. This is our idea: Itanium is primary and PA-RISC is secondary only we don't use HDR. Volume groups are visible to both servers. If primary goes down we could bring the instance up on secondary. Will the data be readable and writable on the PA-RISC server? ----- Original Message ---- From: Wiesiek Glod <wkg@x2.pl> To: ids@iiug.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:54:41 PM Subject: Re: IDS 10.x on HP 11.23 [8730] Hi, On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:41 -0500, ANTHONY JUDISH wrote: > We are upgrading to IDS 10.x - whatever the latest version is, as well as > upgrading our OS to HPUX 11.23 on PA RISC. We have been told by our vendor > that HPUX 11.23 is binary compatible between PA RISC and ITANIUM so supposedly > our software will run on both. Does anybody have experience on whether the > version of IDS ported for 11.23 on PA RISC will also work on 11.23 on ITANIUM? > Comments in general about claims of compatibility between PA RISC and ITANIUM? > On last 3 months I reconfigured and done MC/SG cluster between PA-RISC an Itanium. All works OK, but IBM support suggest/preffered that version IDS will be the same on PA-RISC and Itanium and higer than 9.x. In my env I migrated/switched only IDS 9.40FC7 between PA-RISC and Itanium. I switched only volume/disk/SAN group between PA-RISC an Itanium, all works OK. (MC/SG cluster works also OK) Read link below: http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/tech/tech_TechDocumentDetailPage_IDX/1,1701,9928, 00.html http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=630&context=SSGU8G&dc=DB520&uid=swg2 1255891&loc=en_US&cs=UTF-8&lang=en&rss=ct630db2 In others things you are read post in last 0,5 year. > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > Best regards HP-UX/Informix Admin -- wkg ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
Hiiii, PA-RISC binaries "can" run on HP-UX 11.23 on Itanium. But, it does so using an emulator. Obviously, this is not good for the performance. It is not recommended to run any performance critical PA-RISC application (such as IDS) on HP-UX Itanium. IDS on HP-UX PA-RISC is not certified to run on HP-UX Itanium. One more factor is that you cannot mix PA-RISC and Itanium objects/libraries together. A PA-RISC version of IDS would not be able to dynamically load a Itanium shared object (e.g. UDR, Data Blade) and vice-versa. The same restriction would apply to CSDK also (if you try to use PA-RISC CSDK on Itanium). The user should use the native Itanium IDS versions. Thanks, Amitava "ANTHONY JUDISH" <ajudish@lextron- inc.com> To Sent by: ids@iiug.org ids-bounces@iiug. cc org Subject IDS 10.x on HP 11.23 [8729] 27/03/2007 02:11 Please respond to ids@iiug.org We are upgrading to IDS 10.x - whatever the latest version is, as well as upgrading our OS to HPUX 11.23 on PA RISC. We have been told by our vendor that HPUX 11.23 is binary compatible between PA RISC and ITANIUM so supposedly our software will run on both. Does anybody have experience on whether the version of IDS ported for 11.23 on PA RISC will also work on 11.23 on ITANIUM? Comments in general about claims of compatibility between PA RISC and ITANIUM? ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
Probably, HP-Itanium 11.23 PI might solves the purpose.... ( Where PI stands for combined architecture for PA-RISC & Itanium.) Amitava Chakraborty <amitacha@in.ibm.com> wrote: Hiiii, PA-RISC binaries "can" run on HP-UX 11.23 on Itanium. But, it does so using an emulator. Obviously, this is not good for the performance. It is not recommended to run any performance critical PA-RISC application (such as IDS) on HP-UX Itanium. IDS on HP-UX PA-RISC is not certified to run on HP-UX Itanium. One more factor is that you cannot mix PA-RISC and Itanium objects/libraries together. A PA-RISC version of IDS would not be able to dynamically load a Itanium shared object (e.g. UDR, Data Blade) and vice-versa. The same restriction would apply to CSDK also (if you try to use PA-RISC CSDK on Itanium). The user should use the native Itanium IDS versions. Thanks, Amitava "ANTHONY JUDISH" inc.com> To Sent by: ids@iiug.org ids-bounces@iiug. cc org Subject IDS 10.x on HP 11.23 [8729] 27/03/2007 02:11 Please respond to ids@iiug.org We are upgrading to IDS 10.x - whatever the latest version is, as well as upgrading our OS to HPUX 11.23 on PA RISC. We have been told by our vendor that HPUX 11.23 is binary compatible between PA RISC and ITANIUM so supposedly our software will run on both. Does anybody have experience on whether the version of IDS ported for 11.23 on PA RISC will also work on 11.23 on ITANIUM? Comments in general about claims of compatibility between PA RISC and ITANIUM? ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. --------------------------------- Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers
Hello, first two general comments: 1) 'backward' binary compatibility of HPUX IA64 for PA-Risc executeables is a great thing and works very well for many programs (look at the HPUX man page 'aries' ) 2) it DOESN't work well (or not at all) for multithreaded applications IDS 9.x/10.x PA-Risc version running on IA64 hardware starts but doesn't reach the 'online' state in all cases I have seen - it just hangs. If the database wasn't shut down cleanly it might even trash the database. But the following works: Install the same IDS versions (must be at least 9.40, must be F=64bit, patchlevel should be similar) with PA-Risc code on the PA-Risc hardware and with IA64 code on the IA64 hardware. Afterwards you can move your database (by moving/switching disks or copying disk contents) at least from PA-Risc to IA64. I think you can move the database the other direction too but I have never tried. 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The contents of the e-mail are only legally binding if they have been confirmed and signed by us in writing. If, in spite of our using Antivirus protection software, a virus may have penetrated your system through the sending of this e-mail, we do not accept liability for any damage that may possibly arise as a result of this. We trust that you appreciate our position. ------------------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org]Im Auftrag von > Amitava Chakraborty > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 17:49 > An: ids@iiug.org > Betreff: Re: IDS 10.x on HP 11.23 [8749] > > > Hiiii, > > PA-RISC binaries "can" run on HP-UX 11.23 on Itanium. But, it > does so using > an emulator. Obviously, this is not good for the performance. > It is not > recommended to run any performance critical PA-RISC > application (such as > IDS) on HP-UX Itanium. IDS on HP-UX PA-RISC is not certified > to run on > HP-UX Itanium. One more factor is that you cannot mix PA-RISC > and Itanium > objects/libraries together. A PA-RISC version of IDS would > not be able to > dynamically load a Itanium shared object (e.g. UDR, Data Blade) and > vice-versa. The same restriction would apply to CSDK also (if > you try to > use PA-RISC CSDK on Itanium). The user should use the native > Itanium IDS > versions. > > Thanks, > Amitava > > "ANTHONY JUDISH" > > <ajudish@lextron- > > inc.com> To > > Sent by: ids@iiug.org > > ids-bounces@iiug. cc > > org > > Subject > > IDS 10.x on HP 11.23 [8729] > > 27/03/2007 02:11 > > Please respond to > > ids@iiug.org > > We are upgrading to IDS 10.x - whatever the latest version > is, as well as > upgrading our OS to HPUX 11.23 on PA RISC. We have been told > by our vendor > that HPUX 11.23 is binary compatible between PA RISC and ITANIUM so > supposedly > our software will run on both. Does anybody have experience > on whether the > version of IDS ported for 11.23 on PA RISC will also work on 11.23 on > ITANIUM? > Comments in general about claims of compatibility between PA RISC and > ITANIUM? > > > ************************************************************** > ***************** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > ************************************************************** > ***************** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > >