Re: As the markets tank... Some Benchmark Stuff to distract you

InDeep wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: > >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> >>> On Oct 4, 4:12 pm, DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Fact 2: Informix is dying. >>>> >>> Uhm hate to break it to ya, Informix is dead and long gone. What you >>> meant to say was that IDS was dying. IDS isn't dying. >>> IDS is still growing and making money. That's the problem. In spite of >>> the programs set in place by Janet before her departure, IDS is doing >>> better than anyone anticipated. Its hard to kill a good product, even >>> sans marketing and sales by IBM. >>> > > Gumby, > > In all fairness, how can you substantiate anything you've said? > > And to your previous points, we have not seen any > benchmarks, or any real marketing. To say that IDS is not > dying is shocking. I'd rather suggest it is not doing anything. > > So... how do you know for fact that IDS 'is' making money, > 'is' growing. It is important to be able to back up what > you're saying. I'd love to believe you, but unless you or > IBM can substantiate "IDS is growing and making money" I > think this is pure speculation on your part, and something > you can't believe, even to the extent of saying you're under > NDA, or it's a secret you can't talk about. There's no > credible evidence to have that kind of foundation, and I'd > still be skeptical even if IBM says something filled with > vague, veiled references. A company interested in growing a > product's sales is going to promote the product. Until that > happens you really don't have any foundation. > > > > >> By your definition rdb is alive and well. And strictly speaking you >> are correct. Except that it is about as marginalized as Lotus 123 >> and WordStar which, no doubt, are also being used somewhere by >> somebody. >> >> > > I actually remember using Rdb on VAX/VMS back in the 1980's. > Kinda fun, novel, really simple, pre-SQL engine. Even > back then, Digital was already being shadowed by standards > such as SQL. > > > >> The question, again to draw you back to reality from marketing >> hyperbole is: >> >> Pick 340 jobs >> Informix 310 jobs >> RPG 309 jobs >> >> There are probably more opportunities to make buggy whips. >> > > Even eBay is laying off, and in Q4, their biggest time to > make money. > > See also: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/ebay-cuts-1600-jobs-10-pe_n_132444.html > > http://www.gallup.com/poll/110905/Shrinking-Job-Market-Next-Crisis.aspx > See also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/09/ibm_quarter_good/ :o) -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > See also: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/09/ibm_quarter_good/ > > :o) > Moving to India worked! *<8o/