Re: As the markets tank... Some Benchmark Stuff to distract you
DA Morgan wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> On Oct 4, 4:12 pm, DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org> wrote: >> >>> Fact 2: Informix is dying. >> >> Uhm hate to break it to ya, Informix is dead and long gone. What you >> meant to say was that IDS was dying. IDS isn't dying. >> IDS is still growing and making money. That's the problem. In spite of >> the programs set in place by Janet before her departure, IDS is doing >> better than anyone anticipated. Its hard to kill a good product, even >> sans marketing and sales by IBM. > Gumby, In all fairness, how can you substantiate anything you've said? And to your previous points, we have not seen any benchmarks, or any real marketing. To say that IDS is not dying is shocking. I'd rather suggest it is not doing anything. So... how do you know for fact that IDS 'is' making money, 'is' growing. It is important to be able to back up what you're saying. I'd love to believe you, but unless you or IBM can substantiate "IDS is growing and making money" I think this is pure speculation on your part, and something you can't believe, even to the extent of saying you're under NDA, or it's a secret you can't talk about. There's no credible evidence to have that kind of foundation, and I'd still be skeptical even if IBM says something filled with vague, veiled references. A company interested in growing a product's sales is going to promote the product. Until that happens you really don't have any foundation. > By your definition rdb is alive and well. And strictly speaking you > are correct. Except that it is about as marginalized as Lotus 123 > and WordStar which, no doubt, are also being used somewhere by > somebody. > I actually remember using Rdb on VAX/VMS back in the 1980's. Kinda fun, novel, really simple, pre-SQL engine. Even back then, Digital was already being shadowed by standards such as SQL. > The question, again to draw you back to reality from marketing > hyperbole is: > > Pick 340 jobs > Informix 310 jobs > RPG 309 jobs > > There are probably more opportunities to make buggy whips. Even eBay is laying off, and in Q4, their biggest time to make money. See also: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/ebay-cuts-1600-jobs-10-pe_n_132444.html http://www.gallup.com/poll/110905/Shrinking-Job-Market-Next-Crisis.aspx
InDeep wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: > >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> >>> On Oct 4, 4:12 pm, DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Fact 2: Informix is dying. >>>> >>> Uhm hate to break it to ya, Informix is dead and long gone. What you >>> meant to say was that IDS was dying. IDS isn't dying. >>> IDS is still growing and making money. That's the problem. In spite of >>> the programs set in place by Janet before her departure, IDS is doing >>> better than anyone anticipated. Its hard to kill a good product, even >>> sans marketing and sales by IBM. >>> > > Gumby, > > In all fairness, how can you substantiate anything you've said? > > And to your previous points, we have not seen any > benchmarks, or any real marketing. To say that IDS is not > dying is shocking. I'd rather suggest it is not doing anything. > > So... how do you know for fact that IDS 'is' making money, > 'is' growing. It is important to be able to back up what > you're saying. I'd love to believe you, but unless you or > IBM can substantiate "IDS is growing and making money" I > think this is pure speculation on your part, and something > you can't believe, even to the extent of saying you're under > NDA, or it's a secret you can't talk about. There's no > credible evidence to have that kind of foundation, and I'd > still be skeptical even if IBM says something filled with > vague, veiled references. A company interested in growing a > product's sales is going to promote the product. Until that > happens you really don't have any foundation. > Well, look at it this way: let me pluck some figures out of my arse, just for the purposes of making an illustration:- 1. The database market overall grew by 10% last year. 2. IBM IM grew faster than the market: say 15% for a round number. 3. Informix sales grew by 500% for a round number. What might that tell you about other products in the IBM IM portfolio? It might, if you knew some numbers, tell you that one or more other products in the portfolio have fallen off a cliff. Or that IDS is starting from a very low base and its effect can be ignored. Or something else. I don't know what the starting points are, and as I said, I just pulled the numbers out of my arse (Light Scans take note!) But it's one possible reason I can imagine why IBM might not want to break out the numbers -- I'm sure there are many other possible scenarios. It's a downside of having multiple databases in the portfolio. It didn't matter when Informix had U2 and RBW and all the rest, everyone knew who the big swinging dick was. But it's a very different situation now, and weakness in either DB2 or IDS gives MS and Oracle something to crow about. Or it might be some other thing entirely. Who knows? IBM is like the strange wind that never blows! :o) -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
> IBM is like the > strange wind that never blows! :o) IBM definitely blows.
Mark Townsend wrote: > >> IBM is like the strange wind that never blows! :o) > > IBM definitely blows. I will grant you Teddy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/VM_mascot_-_teddy_bear.gif isn't as cute as this: http://oracleimg.com/technology/tech/linux/images/ubl-solo.jpg But lets give credit where credit is due: They make decent servers. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > Mark Townsend wrote: > >>> IBM is like the strange wind that never blows! :o) >>> >> IBM definitely blows. >> > > I will grant you Teddy: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/VM_mascot_-_teddy_bear.gif > isn't as cute as this: > http://oracleimg.com/technology/tech/linux/images/ubl-solo.jpg > But lets give credit where credit is due: They make decent servers. > Really, Danny, you're missing a trick here: IBM services are a huge partner for Oracle as well. Shouldn't you be smoking their pole as well? -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com